From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Hansen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default Emacs keybindings Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:23:49 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <408E34B5.9080505@math.ku.dk> References: <408CF39D.2000201@math.ku.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083061843 27003 80.91.224.253 (27 Apr 2004 10:30:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:30:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 27 12:30:34 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BIPrG-0001B6-00 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:30:34 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BIPrG-0003jV-00 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:30:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BIPns-0005uG-Qi for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 06:27:04 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BIPmn-0005Ks-Uv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 06:25:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BIPlZ-00049P-Kr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 06:25:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [130.225.103.32] (helo=imf.math.ku.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BIPko-0003Eg-KX; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 06:23:54 -0400 Original-Received: by imf.math.ku.dk (Postfix, from userid 73) id 0D7ABB814E; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:23:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from imf (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamwall (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00853B8145; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:23:50 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by imf.math.ku.dk (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:23:49 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from math.ku.dk (pc33.math.ku.dk [10.2.1.33]) by imf.math.ku.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57FFB8145; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:23:49 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: da, en-us, en Original-To: David Kastrup In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22228 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22228 David Kastrup wrote: >And there are quite a few things that can only reasonably be done with >Emacs. So I have a vested interest in moving Emacs to a state where >one can throw it at a newbie without preconfiguration and can hope for >a tolerable balance of achieved tasks and incited frustration even on >early parts of the learning curve. The question "is it really worth >it?" should, if possible, not come up again and again. > > I agree :-) What I wanted to point out: Emacs can satisfy superusers (maybe the term advanced users is more precise) as well as newbies. It is "just" matter of an easy way to choose a complete keybinding scheme (in my dreams only? ;-)