From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: =?US-ASCII?Q?Re=3A_Telemetry=2C_opt-in=2Copt-out_=5Bwas=3A_Proposal=3A?= =?US-ASCII?Q?_new_default_bindings_for_winner_and_windmove=5D?= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:18:43 -0400 Message-ID: <405F39B4-99C9-4086-9A6B-310B7409A861@dancol.org> References: <7133BE83-064B-43A4-A193-61376605222C@dancol.org> <055E6E92-6971-409E-A106-7E0C64FEF856@dancol.org> <87bk3r22x5.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36934"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 23 16:19:04 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sLO3b-0009Pc-M6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 16:19:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sLO3N-0001Tw-8s; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:18:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sLO3L-0001TZ-Fq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:18:47 -0400 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sLO3I-0006kX-VR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:18:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: References:In-Reply-To:Subject:CC:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Qumtw83q2wFDPfksXfwmFZs1ABGImZVZIS2DuUh9inY=; b=Ontgr62FL7Q/z41zy8vlMI3zaV A+nOv6BTEvFP9sYPMnPRLVwZk9nuv2IJiZQYnyPnLJP1j2rxWJxZcPotS/YtuhTm0bQzMneZneoVM /jFYQiOcezfOkno71G1v4Mngfx6djF65EbqP1YGDjUzeoG24057PzgvaP91h/kfuqrmwGpMEJJrgq JCQfsROEmaSzb68zl92M1WQczGJdEfJL1X88C7aH7as0gZqotJsjj2Qa9h27nmRUcKAsu4UNsk0aR 5AXfgw+WWCiCRRBT9QWiAItb6YjlWd0UZ47QMPqVI5LVuuA19PfavNf7RohZR+UeVa0GI+uAV4Owj ibPVuZSA==; Original-Received: from 2603-9001-4203-1ab2-44c9-c16c-aa21-95a3.inf6.spectrum.com ([2603:9001:4203:1ab2:44c9:c16c:aa21:95a3]:53506 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sLO3H-0004uN-4f; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:18:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1; envelope-from=dancol@dancol.org; helo=dancol.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320535 Archived-At: On June 23, 2024 10:14:36 AM EDT, tomas@tuxteam=2Ede wrote: >On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 09:48:26AM -0400, Daniel Colascione wrote: > >[snipped CC a bit] > >[=2E=2E=2E] > >> Opt-out collection of anonymous metrics has been an industry standard f= or many years now=2E > >Whatever "industry standard" means=2E Industry standard is >surveillance capitalism these days=2E Not something to strive >for, not in free software's context, I think=2E > >Cheers Nothing to do with free software=2E A free program that collects anonymize= d usage metrics is still free=2E The simple fact is that the more you learn= about your users's preferences, the better you can satisfy their desires= =2E As long as users can opt out, I see no moral quandary whatsoever, espec= ially if the program explicitly asks the user about anonymized data collect= ion on first startup=2E