From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phil Sainty Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: [External] : Tick Reduction Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 23:17:46 +1300 Message-ID: <3ec231143c70225df228219865713a90@webmail.orcon.net.nz> References: <87bl2hyzca.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29387"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Orcon Webmail To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 21 11:18:58 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mojw1-0007Sd-Ks for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2021 11:18:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41548 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mojw0-0005HB-JL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2021 05:18:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56956) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mojv5-00048j-E3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2021 05:17:59 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp-1.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.34]:42411) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mojv4-0004z8-33 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2021 05:17:59 -0500 Original-Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=57386 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-1.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mojus-0004nW-Gk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2021 23:17:46 +1300 Original-Received: from ip-115-69-175-77.kinect.net.nz ([115.69.175.77]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Sun, 21 Nov 2021 23:17:46 +1300 In-Reply-To: X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz X-GeoIP: -- Received-SPF: pass client-ip=60.234.4.34; envelope-from=psainty@orcon.net.nz; helo=smtp-1.orcon.net.nz X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:279840 Archived-At: On 2021-11-19 11:18, Drew Adams wrote: > FWIW, I'm against it, in particular for the > same reasons I'm against the use of curly > quotes, including search & recognition. > > At most, it should be optional (and opt-in). > > It ain't broke; please don't "fix" it. And > real Emacs improvements are still possible... Having just read this thread and the significant collection of complications being discussed, I can only agree with Drew -- let's not default to introducing issues for users where none previously existed. (Tangentially I also think curly quotes cause more problems than they do improvements.) Most users will already have a good monospace font configured for Emacs, and the things being discussed will not be problems for them, so I'm in favour of any such changes being opt-in, rather than risk their existing proportional font configuration making Emacs look bad all of a sudden. At minimum these changes should be options. -Phil