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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252172 Archived-At: On Sat, 2020-06-13 at 17:33 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 16:23:31 +0200 (CEST) > > From: Alan Third > > Cc: hi-angel@yandex.ru, stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > > > Am I missing something here? > > > > > > I don't know. What did you mean by "apply"? > > > > git am ~/Downloads/bug_41684_message_5.mbox > > I didn't have an mbox file, I only had an email message which was not > in git-format-patch format, and whose commit log message needed some > work. > > Anyway, I will gladly delegate the job of pushing these forgotten > patches to someone else, if they volunteer (or just do it even without > volunteering). I only pushed this because no one else did, for more > than a week. I thought I was doing okay by following up on those > patches. Or am I missing something? FTR, I'm really thankful to you for taking a look at the patch, as well as to all other wonderful people here for maintaining Emacs. My text was just addressing weak points of current development approach and is an answer to the question "why don't people upstream their packages to Emacs". There's not much more to this email, and the patch discussion only really mentioned in the first point by virtue of being an illustration at hand.