From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Emacs 25.0.94: Is require failing to define macros and functions at compile time? Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 13:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3da5b37d-e607-45b1-aaab-ba71f53ba862@default> References: <5773E5D6.8040201@gmail.com> <57741C4D.6070103@lanl.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467234092 19444 80.91.229.3 (29 Jun 2016 21:01:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 21:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?utf-8?B?Q2zDqW1lbnQgUGl0LS1DbGF1ZGVs?= , emacs-devel To: rswgnu@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 29 23:01:20 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bIMbk-0004ut-7z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 23:01:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45770 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bIMbf-0000O8-Qd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 17:01:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49326) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bIMaP-0000La-S6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:59:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bIMaK-0003yO-Qa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:59:52 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:37565) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bIMaK-0003yC-I1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:59:48 -0400 Original-Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u5TKxh2u007500 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:59:44 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u5TKxhgt003174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:59:43 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u5TKxgqs032173; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:59:42 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:204950 Archived-At: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Drew Adams wrote= : > > >> Any library complicated enough to have N `require's will by necessity > >> have so many more lines of code than N that the longhand list of > >> (require 'foo) will be negligible. No, I didn't write that. (But I did second it.) > What happened to less code is easier to maintain? Or don't repeat yourse= lf? Platitudinous abstraction. Devil is in details.