From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 08:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3ce41c60-7d2e-45b6-99bd-2276aea04c90@default> References: <83k1nxvm5j.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536334470 30180 195.159.176.226 (7 Sep 2018 15:34:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 15:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: hw@adminart.net, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Noam Postavsky , phillip.lord@russet.org.uk To: Phil Sainty , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 07 17:34:25 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fyIm6-0007h6-Hj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 17:34:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39182 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyIoC-0001P4-Nk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 11:36:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56310) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyInz-0001Dy-4C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 11:36:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyInx-0008U3-TR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 11:36:18 -0400 Original-Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:51004) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyInp-0008Bh-Rd; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 11:36:11 -0400 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w87FXw7K146116; Fri, 7 Sep 2018 15:35:58 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=7kFGn2KZqU4TKLXyPRQ+eJD2z5SK6I83pgVclWPVDU8=; b=roVRLoBhc8juNvf3kM0FIICrnGrrf7Ov7IwVAfHH2PDPz1AciUMLHtM9acS/5HHl3BXO /oe6Ep2wHOij1ARRtoSNhPo5DKT2OkyKfkrhYX+AhKH6CrTpYqM6tX1rJsNKdi+dn1jP 0k2Pd5dDVORYlMR4x6rfHYYjvZxMm4MpxSHK1LJKduIYIWygQMI5tzOPrPSI/1jh9tjK mjwYZnRcG7k/sjmWXY+a7b9Jg42NtwTDe0LOv+s1I3DAfDTHfqf2ZMiS6+k4B+Dds/Tt I77hPyBh9mHgcyYij9Jwv3mClyfzXrvWt0pNAwiB51dP3x9MhvNaIiCEY3AqCgaaMsnN YA== Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2m7j6u3c15-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 07 Sep 2018 15:35:58 +0000 Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w87FZqhZ002625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2018 15:35:52 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w87FZpj0024165; Fri, 7 Sep 2018 15:35:51 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4735.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9009 signatures=668708 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=747 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1809070158 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.86 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229419 Archived-At: > *Personally* I dislike `delete-selection-mode'; but FWIW I also > don't have a big issue with disabling it in my init file -- at > the end of the day it's an easy change to make to get back to > the behaviour I prefer. >=20 > I can't imagine that many users who use the current default > behaviour would continue to use the default if the default were > *changed*; so either way a sub-set of users will always be forced > to set `delete-selection-mode' in their init files -- which means > it's a question of whether we're more interested in minimising > friction for existing users who still prefer the current default, > or for new users who are probably used to the behaviour of other > text-editors. Exactly the same reasoning was presented in arguments against turning on `transient-mark-mode' by default. That change took decades. I expect that turning on `delete-selection-mode' by default (in effect, the other half of the same general change) will also take decades. I'm convinced it will happen, but perhaps after some of us are long gone. ;-)