From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kevin Rodgers Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.pretest Subject: Re: A new online publishing tool for Texinfo documents. Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:37:55 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <3FC4F303.9040201@yahoo.com> References: <8765hcf7q8.fsf@kanga.tapsellferrier.co.uk> <3FC3A11D.8040408@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1069871922 9101 80.91.224.253 (26 Nov 2003 18:38:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: texinfo-pretest@texinfo.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 26 19:38:40 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AP4Yi-0006DO-00 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:38:40 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AP4Yi-0003Qa-00 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:38:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AP5W2-0002A4-JQ for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:39:58 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AP5Vt-00029U-6v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:39:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AP5VN-0001ex-3T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:39:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [80.91.224.249] (helo=main.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AP5VM-0001cG-KT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:39:16 -0500 Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AP4Xu-0002tM-00 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:37:50 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from sea.gmane.org ([80.91.224.252]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AP4Xs-0002t8-00 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:37:48 +0100 Original-Received: from news by sea.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AP4Xs-0002KS-00 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:37:48 +0100 Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS i86pc; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020406 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:18147 gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.pretest:1174 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:18147 Robert J. Chassell wrote: [completely missing the point] Nic said, "It's an additional format to solve the specific problem of reading documentation that you don't happen to have on your local machine." First of all, I question whether an additional format is required, since that will demand that Emacs and other Info readers be modified to support the new format. Second, everyone seems to agree that Info's search and navigation facilities are superior to HTML; so shouldn't we take advantage of that? Third, Info files can be rendered very quickly (especially compared to HTML) because they have already been pre-processed from the Texinfo source, but the download time for Info is no worse than HTML because it's not much bigger than the source. So use a network transport that's likely to be supported by a remote server like ftp or http, and be happy you've got access to remote documentation at all. Searching an entire document, whether it's in Info format or HTML and whether it's a monolithic entity or split into pieces still requires that the data be downloaded. So download Info files as needed, and cache them in the /tmp filesystem. BTW, I just did `g (/@foo:/usr/local/info/gcc)Invoking GCC' and was able to use the `i' and `s' commands just the way I expected. What am I missing? It seems to me different people are trying to solve different problems within this single discussion thread. -- Kevin Rodgers