From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Hansen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Will default key bindings spell the death of Emacs? Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 14:49:21 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <3EDDEAD1.80308@math.ku.dk> References: <3ED67422.7060305@math.ku.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054731451 5100 80.91.224.249 (4 Jun 2003 12:57:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 04 14:57:27 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19NXpX-0001Jq-00 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 14:57:27 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19NY77-0002vo-00 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 15:15:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NXoR-0007tG-3r for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:56:19 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19NXiz-00062w-DH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:50:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19NXhF-00050h-0t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:48:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [62.84.220.10] (helo=post.kabelnettet.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NXge-0004ca-R1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:48:17 -0400 Original-Received: from math.ku.dk [62.84.220.219] by post.kabelnettet.dk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.14) id AB98A9A0068; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 14:52:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: Andreas Schwab In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14685 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14685 Andreas Schwab wrote: >Lars Hansen writes: > >|> I think this is a very important discussion. >|> >|> >>I believe that Emacs key bindings are effectively preventing 99% or more >|> >>of Windows programmers and other younger programmers from ever using >|> >>it. >|> >> >|> > >|> >I think you greatly exaggerate the difficulty of adapting to Emacs >|> >key bindings. >|> > >|> Users should not adopt to Emacs. Emacs should adopt to users! > >You might be surprised how many GUIs support Emacs keybindings like C-k. > >Andreas. > > I never intended to discuss which keybindings people should use. On the contrary I think people should have the oppotunity to decide for themselves.