From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Hansen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Will default key bindings spell the death of Emacs? Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:16:01 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <3ED70531.4020504@math.ku.dk> References: <3ED67422.7060305@math.ku.dk> <20030529214728.GA24984@gnu.org> <200305300010.h4U0AiNY018227@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054279085 24543 80.91.224.249 (30 May 2003 07:18:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri May 30 09:18:04 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Le9L-0006Ni-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 09:18:03 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19LeOO-0000e3-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 09:33:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Le96-0008Lx-Kz for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 03:17:48 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Le7w-0007jU-Gg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 03:16:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Le6U-00078N-Kk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 03:15:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [62.84.220.10] (helo=post.kabelnettet.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Le6O-0006v1-CC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 03:15:00 -0400 Original-Received: from math.ku.dk [62.84.220.219] by post.kabelnettet.dk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.14) id A5DD2F830070; Fri, 30 May 2003 09:18:53 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: <200305300010.h4U0AiNY018227@rum.cs.yale.edu> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14464 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14464 Stefan Monnier wrote: >I'm not sure what you mean by keybindings being hard to change, >but let's suppose it's because C-c, C-x and ESC are so pervasive >that you can't really move them. > Yes, that quite much my problem. And I do use key-translation-map to swap keys as you suggest. But I feel that is a workaround rather than a real solution. Messages from Emacs then become wrong when they refer to those key bindings.