From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Hansen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Will default key bindings spell the death of Emacs? Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 00:04:56 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <3ED68408.4080700@math.ku.dk> References: <3ED67422.7060305@math.ku.dk> <20030529214728.GA24984@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054245896 10425 80.91.224.249 (29 May 2003 22:04:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri May 30 00:04:53 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19LVW1-0002hq-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 00:04:53 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19LVks-0002w7-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 00:20:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19LVWn-0001te-RC for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 29 May 2003 18:05:41 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19LVVF-0000Ca-JX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2003 18:04:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19LVV8-00005t-5w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2003 18:03:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [62.84.220.10] (helo=post.kabelnettet.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19LVV5-0008S9-AB; Thu, 29 May 2003 18:03:55 -0400 Original-Received: from math.ku.dk [62.84.220.219] by post.kabelnettet.dk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.14) id A4B7354027A; Fri, 30 May 2003 00:07:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: Miles Bader In-Reply-To: <20030529214728.GA24984@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14432 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14432 > > >Emacs keybindings are not arbitrary, and they're a highly ingrained part of >the editor and its culture. > Yes, and in my opinion it is a problem. >To change them in any large way, there would >have to be a _very_ good reason, and you certainly haven't shown one. > > The reason is to make Emacs more user friendly. More customizable. To make more people use Emacs, and realize that free software is not just for nerds. >MSWindows keybindings are not particularly great, and in my experience, most >MSWindow users don't even _use_ keybindings (or know them), beyond the >C-c/C-x/C-v triumvirate and the `shift-movement' selection -- both of which >cua-mode handles. > > I do not argue that we should implement MS Windows-like keybindings. I just argue that it should be easyer to change key bindings.