From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hin-Tak Leung Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: a few MULE criticisms Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 20:40:41 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <3EC69039.10008@yahoo.co.uk> References: <3EC2A0FA.1040007@yahoo.co.uk> <3EC3098C.2000809@yahoo.co.uk> <3EC3EF3A.8070902@yahoo.co.uk><3EC4CEEC.4010406@yahoo.co.uk> <874r3u2fl6.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1053200086 19420 80.91.224.249 (17 May 2003 19:34:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 19:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sat May 17 21:34:44 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19H7S8-000536-00 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 21:34:44 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19H7b6-0004oD-00 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 21:44:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19H7Tg-0004Wk-02 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 17 May 2003 15:36:20 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19H7TF-0004T2-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 May 2003 15:35:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19H7Sv-0004FH-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 May 2003 15:35:34 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.113]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19H7Sr-00043p-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 May 2003 15:35:29 -0400 Original-Received: from m120-mp1.cvx1-b.cam.dial.ntli.net (HELO yahoo.co.uk) (hintak?leung@62.253.148.120 with plain) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2003 19:35:22 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us Original-To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" In-Reply-To: <874r3u2fl6.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13956 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13956 Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > >> An explicit list would help. Emacs could offer them in order > >> of popularity, at least to the extent that they are available > >> in free versions. > If you want, you can specify "where you're coming from" (in this case, > quite literally) and we can start to differentiate the Chinese > "sublocales". And be greedy. Ask for the list _you_ want. My own chinese editing needs/experience is maybe somewhat atypical. My typing habit is, in decreasing frequency: (1) the equivalent of "tsang-b5.el", (2) doing "ab?cd", "?bcd" etc under "tsang-b5.el" (some other thread of this conversation seems to indicate that this cannot be done under MULE at the moment) (3) the equivalent of "quick-b5.el" (it is the same as "a*b" under "tsang-b5.el" in (1), and "a???b"+"a??b"+"a?b"+"ab" in (2)) (4) english (i.e. typing "apple" and getting the characters for that fruit. no equivalent in MULE?) (5) try one of the pronouciation-based ones. The closest equivalent is probably 'CTLau-b5.el'? I do use association quite heavily, i.e. take the later half of a 2/3/4-character phrase after typing the 1st character, and also often when I reach (3),(4), and the character I want is known to be the later-half of a common phrase, I would type the first half using (1), (2) and delete it afterwards. Inputting 4-5 key strokes for the first character, select from a small list of 2-3 by association, then a delete, is still sometimes preferable to scrolling a much longer list of 20-30 in (3). My Japanese typing habit is somewhat heavily customized - I have two private input methods (one based on tsang's, the other is pronouciation-based which I compiled myself from ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/culture/japan/info/jis1detl.lst, according to my notes). Compiling one's own input method is probably because it is learned as a 2nd language.