From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Flynn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.psgml.devel Subject: Re: [Psgml-devel] Re: Key sequence C-c C-f C-e uses invalid prefix characters Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:00:04 +0000 Organization: Silmaril Consultants Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <3E271D54.4060206@silmaril.ie> References: <3DFE4E98.1080204@silmaril.ie> <3DFFC29E.4060100@silmaril.ie> <20030112040605.GA26128@gnu.org> <3E25E73F.7070904@silmaril.ie> <200301152332.h0FNWm111368@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1042749975 27173 80.91.224.249 (16 Jan 2003 20:46:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18ZGtx-000749-00 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:46:13 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18ZH33-0004XJ-00 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:55:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18ZGuY-00088l-04 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:46:50 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18ZGtb-0007dU-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:45:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18ZGtW-0007PZ-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:45:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.d-n-a.net ([194.46.8.11] helo=ni-mail1.dna.utvinternet.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18ZGtQ-00076N-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:45:41 -0500 Original-Received: from silmaril.ie (unverified [195.218.107.40]) by ni-mail1.dna.utvinternet.net ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:45:39 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en, de, fr, ga Original-To: psgml-devel@lists.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:10779 gmane.emacs.psgml.devel:104 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:10779 Stefan Monnier wrote: >>>>It doesn't matter what the `standard requires,' it matters what users >>>>find convenient. >>> >>>Yes. >> >>Interesting. How many more people think invalid C ought to compile? > > > I don't think that's the question. The question is rather: how > many people think they should be able to comfortably edit a C > file even if they don't have the relevant .h files around (such > that it's impossible to tell whether the file will compile or not). That's not really the question either. The OP's complaint was -- in effect -- that he couldn't care less whether the "SGML" he produced was valid or not, and didn't see the need for a validating editor environment. I don't have any problem with people editing without a DTD if they feel they can carry the grove in their head, and keep track of the pointy brackets by eye. It may be suboptimal but that's their choice. Many people edit C in this fashion, without an IDE to keep track of things, but they do at least presumably take care that the resulting file compiles. ///Peter