From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Flynn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.psgml.devel,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Re: Key sequence C-c C-f C-e uses invalid prefix characters Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:34:38 +0000 Organization: Silmaril Consultants Sender: psgml-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: <3DFFC29E.4060100@silmaril.ie> References: <3DFE4E98.1080204@silmaril.ie> <200212162248.gBGMm2m00520@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1040171172 8411 80.91.224.249 (18 Dec 2002 00:26:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, lenst@lysator.liu.se, keichwa@gmx.net, no-spam@cua.dk, psgml-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, mvidner@suse.cz, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Pavel@Janik.cz, kevinr@ihs.com Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18OS2M-0002BP-00 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:26:10 +0100 Original-Received: from lists.sourceforge.net ([66.35.250.206] helo=sc8-sf-list2.sourceforge.net) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18OS2k-0004aK-00 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:26:34 +0100 Original-Received: from sc8-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.13] helo=sc8-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 18OS2E-0005gR-00; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:26:02 -0800 Original-Received: from mail.d-n-a.net ([194.46.8.11] helo=ni-mail1.dna.utvinternet.net) by sc8-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 18OS1B-0004aI-00 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:24:57 -0800 Original-Received: from silmaril.ie (unverified [195.218.110.23]) by ni-mail1.dna.utvinternet.net (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:24:44 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en, de, fr, ga Original-To: Stefan Monnier Errors-To: psgml-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: psgml-devel@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:34:38 +0000 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.psgml.devel:79 gmane.emacs.devel:10238 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:10238 Stefan Monnier wrote: > Last I heard (and that was before Dave's patches were incorporated), > PSGML did not deal well at all with the situation where the DTD is > unknown, which happens to be the standard case for me. This is > why I spent some time improving sgml-mode. > I believe that Dave's patches do bring PSGML to the point where it > is about as good as sgml-mode when editing text without DTD, so maybe > it is now good enough to replace sgml-mode. There is no point in even attempting to edit SGML without a DTD, as a DTD is *required* by ISO 8859 for all processing. If you need to edit pointy-bracket markup without a DTD, you must use XML, not SGML. > Given the amount of complaint about PSGML "not indenting and not > highlighting" we have seen on gnu.emacs.help I'd say that the lack > of DTD-less support has been a problem for a long time now. Who on earth are these people who are trying to edit SGML without a DTD? > Yes, PSGML should be included in Emacs, and as soon as it truly > works as well (no matter how poor that is) as sgml-mode in > DTD-less settings, we can and should replace sgml-mode with PSGML. > > But the DTD-less setting is very important. It's really irrelevant for SGML. Only XML will work without a DTD. ///Peter ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility Learn to use your power at OSDN's High Performance Computing Channel http://hpc.devchannel.org/