From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ben Wing Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-l while in menu? Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:13:41 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <3CC525C5.70400@666.com> References: <200204072343.g37NhIC20114@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204201727.g3KHRD401381@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204220746.g3M7kvY01878@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204220928.g3M9S9H32293@rum.cs.yale.edu> <3CC40A74.5040600@666.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019553366 12138 127.0.0.1 (23 Apr 2002 09:16:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier , Richard Stallman , gerd@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16zwP8-00039e-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:16:06 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16zwQE-0006wF-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:17:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16zwOP-00055z-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:15:21 -0400 Original-Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.120] helo=albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16zwLN-0004yP-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:12:13 -0400 Original-Received: from sdn-ap-007caburbp0512.dialsprint.net ([63.184.66.4] helo=666.com) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16zwL9-0000l1-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:12:00 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020314 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us Original-To: Pavel =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan=EDk?= Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3082 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3082 Pavel Janík wrote: > From: Ben Wing > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:04:52 -0700 > >Ben, Stefan, > > > >> I think it is very easy. We should use F10, and invent new variable > > >> f10-should-use-tmm (this is only idea to exactly describe its meaning...) > > >> defaulting to nil. > >[...] > > > -- if you have an alt key separate from meta, you can use it for menu > > accelerators. > >I was not talking about accelerators. I know how to use them in XEmacs. > But the person I was responding to thought that you need an alt key separate from meta -- as you imply by where you cut my response. the fact is that things work quite well when you have only a meta key. e.g. meta+letter is an accelerator only when such a menu exists; otherwise, you get the regular binding -- and even then you can retrieve the shadowed binding with shift+meta+letter. are you sure you knew about all that? in any case, under Windows the standard behavior of pressing and releasing the Alt key [i.e. meta] without hitting any other key traverses to the menu, although there's a var to turn it off. there is a command, lucid-menus-only, misleadingly called (not my creation) 'accelerate-menu' that traverses to the menu, but there doesn't seem to be a standard binding. f10 is the obvious binding, to be Motif/Windows compatible. shift-f10 would bring up a popup menu, equivalent to clicking the right mouse button. > But >I do not know if there is a key binding to pop-up the first menu in the >menubar. We would like Emacs to be compatible if XEmacs if it has that >feature. I do not use XEmacs so I'm asking: does XEmacs have that feature? >If so, what is the keybinding? > >As Eli said: keyboard controlling menu is useless if you do not have a way >to enter menubar. Accelerators is one way, but I'm looking for the second >one right now. > >[...] > >Due to this misunderstanding I ignored the rest of your e-mail. >