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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314631 gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.general:3378 Archived-At: > On Jan 6, 2024, at 23:04, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 >> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2024 13:49:53 +0000 >> From: Jean-Christophe Helary >> Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org,= rms@gnu.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org >>=20 >> Thinking out loud here, but @node currently requires the node-name >> argument and has next/preious/up optional argument. It seems to me that >> most of the issues would be fixed by adding a fifth argument that acts >> like the cross-references' second argument (online-label). That way, >> node-name can stay as it is and act as the pointer but is displayed as >> "online-label", which is the translated part. >=20 > Maybe this will be a solution, I don't know. (But note that the > next/preious/up arguments are basically obsolete and almost never used > nowadays.) Sure, but adding a 4th argument would be compatible with the current=20 state of affairs. >> Same for the cross-references, if we generalize the use of 2 or 3 >> arguments. >=20 > Cross-references already support 5 arguments. I know. That's why I'm saying generalize their use. > I think we'd need something more complex there. One possibility could=20 > be some kind of "translation table" inside an Info file, which maps=20 > English node names to translated names. Interesting. Is such a "translation" file already used in parts of=20 Emacs (obviously not in relation to natural language translations)? It seems to me that using things/concepts that already exist keeps the=20 internal logic of the tool, while adding new processes adds to the=20 complexity of things. But there are more things that I do not=20 understand in Emacs/TexInfo than things I do, so I'll leave this=20 consideration at that.