From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: line-move-visual never set to nil? 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( [87.194.76.245]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m4sm1335897ugc.3.2008.07.29.17.42.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:42:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <877ib4fc10.fsf@catnip.gol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101725 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-35-700650390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 30 Jul 2008, at 01:31, Miles Bader wrote: > David Reitter writes: >> How about new functions for the visual movement, and binding the >> arrow >> keys to that? There could be a mode to bind the keys, and this mode >> could default to on. > > No. > > The arrow keys should _not_ be "special". I've been misunderstood. I also meant to bind C-n/C-p to the new functions. But if keyboard macros don't record the invoked functions, but key presses, then that won't help of course. This is only about backwards compatibility! 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