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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314592 Archived-At: > On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:33 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: >=20 > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >=20 >> I=E2=80=99ve thought about using public keys for authentication. = Users >> would share their public keys through secure side-channel, then >> it=E2=80=99s easy to verify you are connecting to the person you = think you >> are connecting to. >=20 > This has the advantage of being similar to what we already use. >=20 >> I also thought about adding OpenID support to the signaling >> server, such that the signaling server can endorse each user=E2=80=99s >> identify. Is is obviously more complicated, and requires the user >> to trust the signaling server. >=20 > ISTR that there was some doubt about whether OpenID could be used > in the free world. That was discussed maybe 6 or more years ago. > If it is useful, I can look up what was said back then and we could > see whee it stands now. >=20 Since OpenID is a protocol, what make it unsuitable for the free world? > Would it be feasible to support both methods? We=E2=80=99ll see. I haven=E2=80=99t thought too deeply into it. Yuan=