From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sound in Emacs Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 17:41:19 -0700 Message-ID: <3A6D9970-36B0-45B5-8D73-BEE27AFA9DCC@mit.edu> References: <4E8AAF3E.7050600@swipnet.se> <878vp0z3oz.fsf@gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_16E391B7-9B7B-4BDC-80EA-5BA9A282E208" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317775294 19761 80.91.229.12 (5 Oct 2011 00:41:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 00:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 05 02:41:29 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBFY8-0003rZ-By for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 02:41:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49262 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBFY7-0002SF-IJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:41:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:50337) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBFY4-0002SA-Vn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:41:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBFY3-0005eL-R4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:41:24 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-3.mit.edu ([18.9.25.14]:62306) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBFY3-0005eH-Oh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:41:23 -0400 X-AuditID: 1209190e-b7f4a6d0000008e5-de-4e8ba7b2ed80 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.36]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-3.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 1E.0A.02277.2B7AB8E4; Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id p950fM45032503; Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:41:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.0.164] ([12.198.236.170]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id p950fJJ6014109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:41:21 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <878vp0z3oz.fsf@gnus.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupmleLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42IRYrdT0d20vNvP4PliS4vHC56wWhxZd4DF gcmjbZqZx8G2rACmKC6blNSczLLUIn27BK6M57eTCs7KVJy7s5ytgbFDoouRk0NCwETi7IVr rBC2mMSFe+vZuhi5OIQE9jFKnNi+nR3CWc8osezYTajMCiaJPzd2MoG0CAtIS3y/f4Gxi5GD g1fAWOL1P7Aws0CCRNP3l6wgYTYBGaCpGiBhTgE1iWW9vWwgNouAisTyFy9YIcrFJX7c7QOz eQWsJFYvesYMseoio8SvDyvZQRIiQM2vD+yFulReYnHLZ8YJjAKzEDbPQrIZwpaX2P52DjNI CbOAjsTkhYwQYW2JZQtfM8PYH88fYVrAyLaKUTYlt0o3NzEzpzg1Wbc4OTEvL7VI11gvN7NE LzWldBMjKMw5Jfl2MH49qHSIUYCDUYmHd6Fnt58Qa2JZcWXuIUZJDiYlUd6+xUAhvqT8lMqM xOKM+KLSnNTiQ4wSHMxKIrybP3T5CfGmJFZWpRblw6SkOViUxHlX73DwExJITyxJzU5NLUgt gsnKcHAoSfDeWAY0VLAoNT21Ii0zpwQhzcTBCTKcB2i4J0gNb3FBYm5xZjpE/hSjopQ4rwIw kQgJgCQySvPgemFp6BWjONArwrz2IFU8wBQG1/0KaDAT0ODUu50gg0sSEVJSDYxWvpIBTRlf 3wczrfl8tiM1osvs8fvLM1blztwb/V1I6dlFKalQgQ7FbaGXm76HL4+c49Pvdnh+KKPmFKGc Au78vdFzV0cK8NhIdVyedHBB5IMDv2Nk/7a+ms+8x3iL7Lxwh6my7nv23ecNlEz6 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 18.9.25.14 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144570 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_16E391B7-9B7B-4BDC-80EA-5BA9A282E208 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Oct 4, 2011, at 5:23 PM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > > But it's like ImageMagick support. Does displaying images inside Emacs > give you a better experience? I think it does. And I have a feeling > the same would be the case with sound support. I suspect that it's the `browsing' versus `working with' difference; I find image viewing in Emacs to be very useful for looking through things that contain images, but I've never really missed the ability to crop, rotate, zoom, etc -- although those would be neat, I haven't really wanted them. There is a big UX difference between using emacs to manage a music collection, adding ui sounds to gnus, and using emacs to figure out that sound/892794.ogg is `ding' while sound/234676.ogg is `quack'. I don't know that EMMS benefits much from internal players, or that a software replacement for the dectalk is interesting. I imagine that many emacs hackers would hate sounds in gnus (look at how many disable the bell), but I suspect many of the newer users would like it (I've actually turned them back on in my non-Emacs email environment, because I like to hear when mail has actually been sent). I imagine most people either don't care or would like to have emacs' help browsing sound files in dired. I hope that this musing hasn't been entirely useless. :-) *Chad --Apple-Mail=_16E391B7-9B7B-4BDC-80EA-5BA9A282E208 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

But it's like = ImageMagick support.  Does displaying images inside Emacs
give = you a better experience?  I think it does.  And I have a = feeling
the same would be the case with sound = support.

I suspect that it's the = `browsing' versus `working with' difference; I
find image = viewing in Emacs to be very useful for looking through
things = that contain images, but I've never really missed the = ability
to crop, rotate, zoom, etc -- although those would be = neat, I haven't
really wanted = them.

There is a big UX difference between = using emacs to manage a music
collection, adding ui sounds to = gnus, and using emacs to figure out
that sound/892794.ogg is = `ding' while sound/234676.ogg is `quack'.  I
don't know = that EMMS benefits much from internal players, or that = a
software replacement for the dectalk is interesting.  I = imagine that
many emacs hackers would hate sounds in gnus = (look at how many disable
the bell), but I suspect many of the = newer users would like it (I've
actually turned them back on = in my non-Emacs email environment,
because I like to hear when = mail has actually been sent). I imagine
most people either = don't care or would like to have emacs' help
browsing sound = files in dired.

I hope that this musing hasn't = been entirely useless. = :-)
*Chad



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