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From: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, dann@ics.uci.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
	eliz@gnu.org, YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp>,
	miles@gnu.org
Subject: Re: merging Emacs.app
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:30:35 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A14AC15-ECEA-43F6-9881-171469669700@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85y78sf2o8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>

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On 9 Mar 2008, at 13:27, David Kastrup wrote:

> If David gets substantially more money out of Aquamacs than he sinks
> into it, he really needs to tell me his secret.

Unfortunately I haven't found that secret either.

I do think that adequate compensation is important quite generally.   
The usual options did not appear promising. Asking for very low  
download fees ($1-2 per download) doesn't work because micropayment  
systems are missing, and because it encourages no-value added forks.   
Selling a manual or so doesn't work because the revenue probably  
doesn't even compensate the author of the book that hasn't been  
written (and costs money to be printed).   Selling additional  
consulting services is a no-go either because Emacs is used at  
universities or by coders, but not much by enough large companies who  
would pay consultants to write Lisp code.  I like the user-driven  
"wishlist" systems where users promise sums for specific features, but  
I haven't seen them work for any project yet.

Now, money isn't the main motivator, even though it pays the rent.   
Work on free software is, in my case, booked under "academic service",  
about like when I review papers for conferences and the occasional  
journal every now and then.  But it also means that I do what's fun  
and productive, and I try to avoid other things.

But in the long run, the movement needs a better answer to the  
compensation question.


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  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-09 14:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 148+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-28 23:51 MAINTAINERS file Nick Roberts
2008-02-29  6:57 ` Karl Fogel
2008-02-29  7:05   ` Miles Bader
2008-02-29  9:57     ` Andreas Röhler
2008-02-29 10:30     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-29 11:25     ` Bastien
2008-02-29 11:32       ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-29 11:50         ` Bastien Guerry
2008-02-29 11:56           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-29 12:05             ` Bastien
2008-02-29 12:11               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-29 11:53       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-01  1:00     ` Xavier Maillard
2008-02-29  8:05   ` Glenn Morris
2008-02-29 11:21   ` Nick Roberts
2008-02-29 22:34     ` Karl Fogel
2008-02-29 23:28       ` Karl Fogel
2008-02-29 23:31         ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-01  6:28       ` Nick Roberts
2008-03-01  9:27       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-01 15:52         ` Karl Fogel
2008-03-01 19:49           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-01 23:09         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-02  5:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-02 21:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-02 21:33     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03  3:20       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-03  4:33         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 12:55       ` Romain Francoise
2008-03-03 13:44         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 15:05           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 15:23             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 16:51           ` Karl Fogel
2008-03-03 17:01             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 17:32               ` Jason Rumney
2008-03-03 18:16                 ` Leo
2008-03-03 21:58                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 22:07                   ` Jason Rumney
2008-03-03 22:10                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 22:28                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 22:35                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 22:55                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 22:57                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 17:13             ` paul r
2008-03-04  0:56               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-04  2:09                 ` Miles Bader
2008-03-04 17:37                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-04 18:15                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-04 22:18                     ` Glenn Morris
2008-03-05 21:33                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 22:18                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05 22:33                           ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06 17:14                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 17:21                               ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06 18:12                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 20:14                                   ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-06 21:21                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-07  0:10                                     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-07  4:10                                       ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-07  3:09                                         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  2:25                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-07  3:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05  0:17                   ` Jason Earl
2008-03-05  2:27                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05  3:11                       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-05  8:02                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-05 23:07                       ` Jason Earl
2008-03-06  8:33                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-06 19:09                           ` Jason Earl
2008-03-06 19:19                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-04 12:56                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-04 13:56                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-04 18:41                     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2008-03-04 20:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-04 20:28                         ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2008-03-04 22:48                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05 15:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-05 16:25                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-07  3:37                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  8:50                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-07  9:20                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-07 10:27                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-07 18:47                                       ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-08  0:35                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-08  2:27                                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-08  0:59                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-08  3:06                                               ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-08  1:43                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-09  2:17                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 12:43                                           ` Davi Leal
2008-03-09 20:53                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07 16:39                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-03-07 16:47                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-09  2:17                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 23:34                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-10  8:15                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-10  9:11                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-10  9:23                                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-10 11:50                                         ` Harsha
2008-03-10 12:05                                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-11 13:41                                             ` Walter Franzini
2008-03-10 15:19                                         ` Gilaras Drakeson
2008-03-11  9:24                                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-10 17:16                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  9:16                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-09  2:18                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-18 19:07                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2008-03-05  9:45                       ` David Kastrup
2008-03-07  3:37                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 21:34                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-03 17:22             ` Bastien
2008-03-03 15:05         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 16:29       ` merging Emacs.app (was Re: MAINTAINERS file) Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-03 21:38         ` merging Emacs.app Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05  5:04           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-05 12:38             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-05 16:05               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06  0:58                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-06  4:03                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-07  3:16                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-07  3:20                       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  3:43                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-08  3:46                           ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  5:13                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-08 16:58                             ` David Reitter
2008-03-08 17:14                             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 17:46                               ` David Reitter
2008-03-08 18:34                                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 18:59                                   ` David Reitter
2008-03-08 22:01                                     ` The Aquamacs fork (was Re: merging Emacs.app) Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 18:40                                 ` merging Emacs.app David Kastrup
2008-03-09 10:05                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-09 13:14                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-09 13:27                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-09 14:30                                     ` David Reitter [this message]
2008-03-10  0:19                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-10 10:06                   ` Adrian Robert
2008-03-10 10:48                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-10 14:09                       ` Adrian Robert
2008-03-10 15:52                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 18:26       ` MAINTAINERS file Richard Stallman
2008-03-03 21:27         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-04 23:03           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 12:10           ` Bastien
2008-03-09  1:00             ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-09  2:44               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 16:40               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-03  2:14   ` Chong Yidong

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