From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: alexander.adolf@condition-alpha.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: A proposal for a friendlier Emacs
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:49:17 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <39133459-6582-4772-b2bf-03eb123cb22b@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1kMMet-0001rx-5g@fencepost.gnu.org>
> > > > Should we really conflate the set of Emacs
> > > > users with "registered repository users"?
> > >
> > > I don't follow you. You seem to be criticizing
> > > something but I don't know what.
>
> > (A question is criticism now?)
>
> That question is a criticism because it uses the word
> "conflate". That word asserts that something is a mistake.
No, it does not assert that.
Verb: conflate kun'fleyt
Add together different elements
"The colours conflate well";
- blend, flux, mix, commingle, immix, fuse,
coalesce, meld, combine, merge
https://www.wordwebonline.com/search.pl?w=conflate
Other definitions (they all say the same thing):
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=conflate+definition&t=brave&ia=definition
In logic/reasoning, conflation _can_ give rise to
confusion, but it need not do so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflation
My point was precisely to raise the question of
whether conflating the set of Emacs users with
the set of Emacs users who are registered
somewhere can lead to misunderstanding or
confusion. Perhaps it can mislead, and if so
won't necessarily help clarity.
If we're looking for a poll/sampling, is this a
helpful way to represent Emacs users in general?
Frankly, I don't know. But I recognize that
there's a conflation - the two sets aren't the
same.
I could have used the word "identify". I used
"conflate" to underline that they're different.
But both "identify" (in the sense of declaring
that two things are the same) and "conflate"
fit here. As does your use of "proxy".
> I did not know know what it was that allegedly
> is a mistake. But you explained: it was this:
>
> The number of registered repository users who
> have clicked on "add to favourites" for the
> package in question.
>
> > I questioned whether "registered repository users"
> > is a good proxy for Emacs users.
>
> No, you suggested I was "conflating" things, and that
> is always unkind.
No, see above. I'm sorry you misunderstood it
as unkind.
> As for whether it is a good proxy, I don't know
> and I said nothing about that.
That was my question: how good a proxy is it?
I don't know. But I know it's a proxy, and I
raised the question of how good it is, whether
we should take the one for the other, here.
I don't know what the best proxy for this might be.
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Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-09-17 8:50 A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Nicola Manca
2020-09-17 9:04 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 9:27 ` Nicola Manca
2020-09-17 12:24 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 12:35 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 13:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 13:26 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 13:31 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 13:34 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 14:27 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-18 16:49 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-18 18:25 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-18 18:59 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-18 19:23 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 8:37 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 9:21 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 11:25 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-19 15:09 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 19:31 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 19:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-19 21:37 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20 6:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-20 7:45 ` Ergus via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20 8:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-20 8:25 ` Ergus
2020-09-21 17:19 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 12:59 ` Ergus
2020-09-22 14:11 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 17:50 ` Colin Baxter
2020-09-22 18:08 ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-09-22 19:12 ` Colin Baxter
2020-09-19 21:04 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 21:26 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20 6:21 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 8:30 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 15:50 ` Philip K.
2020-09-20 3:53 ` 황병희
2020-09-17 13:38 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 12:40 ` Nicholas Savage
2020-09-17 13:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 13:28 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 19:40 ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-09-17 9:07 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-17 9:32 ` Nicola Manca
2020-09-17 9:44 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-21 20:00 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-22 3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 20:50 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-22 21:54 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-23 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-23 14:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-25 13:22 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-25 13:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-25 14:43 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-25 15:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-26 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-29 17:08 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-29 17:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 20:40 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-10-01 12:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:13 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-10-01 16:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-01 17:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-02 16:10 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-10-02 3:51 ` Classifying packages Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 3:38 ` A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 20:57 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-23 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-25 12:40 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-25 15:22 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-26 4:33 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-26 14:29 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-27 2:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-27 19:49 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2020-09-28 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-28 4:50 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-28 22:03 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 2:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-29 2:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-29 4:16 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 5:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-29 5:45 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-29 15:21 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-20 13:07 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 15:32 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-27 4:32 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-27 7:50 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 7:19 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-29 7:55 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 8:23 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-29 8:27 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 15:07 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 18:36 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-30 19:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 19:50 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-01 7:27 ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-01 13:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 14:10 ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-01 12:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 14:19 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-02 3:51 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 6:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 14:13 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:05 ` dictionary.el could be included in main stream Emacs - " Jean Louis
2020-10-02 11:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-04 17:36 ` Torsten Hilbrich
2020-10-01 18:47 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-28 22:05 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-21 17:07 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 3:40 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 6:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-23 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 6:24 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 14:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-22 14:22 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 14:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-22 14:52 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 15:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-22 16:03 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 16:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-23 3:41 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 15:44 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-23 3:41 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-23 14:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
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