From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "David A. Cobb" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: INFO on add-ons Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:40:01 -0400 Organization: CoxNet User Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <39129.5041692958$1031010021@news.gmane.org> References: <3D728E82.8000808@cox.net> <87ptvxxkoj.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fzwtxad9.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org, xemacs-design@xemacs.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031010021 8849 127.0.0.1 (2 Sep 2002 23:40:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17m0ns-0002Ic-00 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 01:40:20 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17m1MJ-0004hy-00 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 02:15:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17m0pO-0001Hb-00; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:41:54 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17m0nn-0001EJ-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:40:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17m0nl-0001D8-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:40:14 -0400 Original-Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net ([68.1.17.243]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17m0nl-0001D4-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:40:13 -0400 Original-Received: from cox.net ([68.14.72.20]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020902234011.SAGC12192.lakemtao02.cox.net@cox.net>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 19:40:11 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020829 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org, xemacs-design@xemacs.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:7353 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:7353 Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >>>>>>"Miles" == Miles Bader writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> > Miles> How so? It seem to work well enough if people consistently > Miles> use `install-info' (and that actually seems to happen on > Miles> debian at least). > >I have no control over "people", and little enough over XEmacs. >Better to spend the effort on having Emacs be smart about the info >files themselves, which either it can read or it doesn't matter, than >to have GNU and XEmacs.ORG try be anal about stuff that's not under >our control. IMO. > I don't see /any/ Free/Open Software project in a position to be anal about things. I have no concept of anyone coercing a contributer in any regard - it'll cost you at least $30.00/hr to coerce /me/. But it would be a considerable good if they did contribute Info pages and if installing the software also installed the info. My notion was more an encouraging word in the documents we publish to guide the potential contributer. > Miles> People certainly have write access to the `dir' file in any > Miles> directory they write info files to. Since info merges all > Miles> the different `dir' files into the final buffer at > Miles> run-time, that's all that's needed. > >That's fine, but I got the impression David was talking about the >specific dir file in the info directory where Emacs stuff resides. > I dunno specifically /where/! What I would hope for would be when I download, say, DoxyMacs from SourceForge I get a tar archive that includes the Info pages. As for automatic installation, that shows my current Windoze milieu. I think a script to take the bugs out of installing is a positive good thing. If you do "$ configure ...; make" then "Info" should be among the targets and should wind up doing "$ install-info" during "$ make install" Windoze users should, IMNSHO, get a shell / cmd.exe script if not something like the Cygwin netinstaller because they are accustomed to one-step installation. -- David A. Cobb, Software Engineer, Public Access Advocate "By God's Grace I am a Christian man, by my actions a great sinner." -- The Way of a Pilgrim; R. M. French, tr. Life is too short to tolerate crappy software. .