From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: more on starttls, gnutls-cli and using tls for mail Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:33:17 -0700 Message-ID: <385CD50C-D0C5-4402-AC7B-C9DC707AC819@mit.edu> References: <20039.8838.116211.694328@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <8762m0n5qi.fsf@red-bean.com> <87ipq0k0q0.fsf@red-bean.com> <87fwl4nqu8.fsf@gmail.com> <87ippzf7jx.fsf@gmail.com> <87pqk4i03k.fsf@kwarm.red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1313627616 24837 80.91.229.12 (18 Aug 2011 00:33:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 00:33:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Karl Fogel , Vijay Lakshminarayanan , Leo , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 18 02:33:31 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QtqY2-00018s-AU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 02:33:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38615 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtqY1-0003dU-PM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:33:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:46755) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtqXz-0003dD-DY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:33:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtqXy-0000p6-9r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:33:23 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu ([18.9.25.15]:44938) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtqXy-0000oy-4t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:33:22 -0400 X-AuditID: 1209190f-b7b44ae000000a24-a7-4e4c5d388346 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.39]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 63.D1.02596.83D5C4E4; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id p7I0XLbO012923; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:33:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.0.169] ([12.198.236.170]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id p7I0XIfJ018398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:33:20 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupgleLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42IRYrdT17WI9fEz+LTY0OLxgiesFsua6iw+ 7N7DZPFl4lwmi0ePTrE4sHrsnHWX3aNtmplH5yLhAOYoLpuU1JzMstQifbsErozTdxewFWzi qPj64yljA+NNti5GTg4JAROJ7o5lLBC2mMSFe+uB4lwcQgL7GCXefX/JBOFsYJRY0dzOAuGs ZJJ4OfEiK0iLsICDxI/Vr4GqODh4BYwlXv9jAgkzC+hI7Nx6hw0kzCYgAzRVAyTMKRAocfjN IbBlLAKqElu+doCNZBaYwCjx99xGZohebYllC18zQ4y0ktjyxRhi7U5mice/voFdLQLUfO7v PEaIq+UlFrd8ZpzAKDgL4YpZSK6YhWTqAkbmVYyyKblVurmJmTnFqcm6xcmJeXmpRbomermZ JXqpKaWbGEEBzinJv4Px20GlQ4wCHIxKPLzGr7z9hFgTy4orcw8xSnIwKYnyvo7x8RPiS8pP qcxILM6ILyrNSS0+xCjBwawkwtumAJTjTUmsrEotyodJSXOwKInzNu5w8BMSSE8sSc1OTS1I LYLJynBwKEnwGgMjWUiwKDU9tSItM6cEIc3EwQkynAdouD5IDW9xQWJucWY6RP4Uo6KUOC8b SEIAJJFRmgfXC0tArxjFgV4R5n0GcjcPMHnBdb8CGswENPjWLg+QwSWJCCmpBsbUJW+0nW7l pV6UUl2wVjDpTsDhd55yp+xDwyJkn76Z3Xl84sYVn4662zRx+/+4IWYirfJl8s7KUpMnD9ZV F21aGxdbtyd/yf3r1c/+7DmzUD1d67j20iLvKeeO8sX9j811+pNb3iotp6F2z9Vi X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 18.9.25.15 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:143389 Archived-At: On Aug 17, 2011, at 3:48 PM, Tim Cross wrote: > However, it should be noted that this is not due to any requirement or > limitation of smtp - this is because of addtional requirements imposed > by providers, such as google's gmail, which adds additional > restrictions that are not standard smtp behavior. There is no `standard' for smtp behavior in this area - although there are several Standards one might variously attempt to follow. To be = clear,=20 there are `standard smtp systems' that also require people who want to=20= use distinct `from addresses' to authenticate separately for each; gmail=20= is just the largest fish in the email waters, so there's no need to = enumerate=20 the edges beyond the majority. To put it another way, once you know that the oceans are wet, do you=20 really need to test the lakes, rivers, and streams? *Chad P.S. Not so long ago I rearranged my mail handling of the ~7 addresses I use regularly to avoid problems like these, but I still have a lot of sympathy for people who can't use my approach.=