From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: PPAATT@aol.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bindings reserved for users Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:13:13 EDT Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <38.26a22651.29f2b559@aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019304926 5838 127.0.0.1 (20 Apr 2002 12:15:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 12:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16ytm2-0001W3-00 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:15:26 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16yu5r-0005BV-00 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:35:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16ytln-000883-00; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:15:11 -0400 Original-Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.163]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16ytjw-00083j-00; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:13:16 -0400 Original-Received: from PPAATT@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.38.26a22651 (30971); Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: rms@gnu.org X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:2835 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:2835 > > > ( C-h i m emacs RET m keymaps RET ) > > > ... `C-c' followed by a letter ...=20 ... > > Do we want to reserve C-c A through C-c Z for users, as well? ... > Richard Stallman rms@gnu.org > Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:44:57 -0600 (MDT) > > They already are reserved for users; the manual says so. > Are you suggesting we change that? Do you think the manual > needs to say it more emphatically? Yes the GNU Emacs manual here would become more broadly intelligible if, in place of seeing talk of C-c followed by: ... a letter ... instead we saw whichever we mean from these less concise statements: ... a lower case American letter ([a-z]) ... ... an American letter ([a-zA-Z]) ... ... a letter key of the keyboard ... ... any letter (American [a-zA-Z] etc.) ... Personally I find most reasonable: ... a letter key of the keyboard ... However, I hear we're not yet able to make life that simple, except on the Mac? The loss can be small, but still come across as culturally illiterate. For example, the intent to not support =F1 makes C-c =F1 a bad substitute choice for a missing Insert key, no matter that "un dedo =F1oco" is a missing finger of a human hand. I say the loss is small only because I hear no more than 1 in 6,000 Spanish words begins with the =F1 letter key of a Spanish keyboard. That makes =F1 words in Spanish no more than 3X common as English words beginning with the x letter key of an English keyboard. I wonder if any English-speaking folk here bind C-c x. Pat LaVarre http://members.aol.com/plscsi/emacs/emacs-deja-vu.html