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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225398 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_3EAC3BDE-9D9F-498D-97B7-F40BA6E172F7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On May 18, 2018, at 11:33, Richard Stallman wrote: >=20 > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >=20 >> The problem with the introduction is that it was written when >> programming was only starting to be a skill "normal" people could >> have access to. >=20 > This book is intentionally addressed to people who don't know how to > program. That is its purpose. We recommend people start learning to > program using this book. I am fully aware of that. Let me restate what I wrote. The book was = written at a time when computer where not common and programming was a = skill you could only learn from *books*. Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune --Apple-Mail=_3EAC3BDE-9D9F-498D-97B7-F40BA6E172F7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On May 18, 2018, at 11:33, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> = wrote:

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please = consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the = US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's = example. ]]]

The problem with the introduction is that it was written = when
programming was only starting to be a skill "normal" = people could
have access to.

This book is intentionally addressed to people who don't know = how to
program.  That is its purpose.  We = recommend people start learning to
program using this = book.

I am fully aware of that. Let me restate what I = wrote. The book was written at a time when computer where not common and = programming was a skill you could only learn from = *books*.


Jean-Christophe Helary
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