From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Default behaviour of RET. Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <36f9f9af-4a5c-46a9-8ba3-a542d902b7f6@default> References: > <8361sqli02.fsf@gnu.org>> <1730ebf3-db44-498c-b2a9-4d288d83a946@default> <87k3h6xuen.fsf@yandex.ru> <1878e4fa-50f2-4655-a4ff-30d1db708ee8@default> <5D2595BD-AC11-4FB6-B363-31EBE28A0AE0@mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1382397070 12930 80.91.229.3 (21 Oct 2013 23:11:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 23:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, Eli Zaretskii , Dmitry Gutov , rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: chad , "emacs-devel@gnu.org devel" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 22 01:11:13 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VYOcx-0007A0-Jh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 01:11:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42189 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYOcx-00013e-4m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:11:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41878) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYOcl-00011H-To for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:11:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYOcZ-0002fR-JZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:10:59 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:31293) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYOcE-0002PP-22; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:10:26 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r9LNAOgw026689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Oct 2013 23:10:25 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9LNAMRc016913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Oct 2013 23:10:23 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt109.oracle.com (abhmt109.oracle.com [141.146.116.61]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9LNAMoe004530; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 23:10:22 GMT In-Reply-To: <5D2595BD-AC11-4FB6-B363-31EBE28A0AE0@mit.edu> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164445 Archived-At: > Either we're going to poll the users, or we aren't and instead are > going to rely on developer opinion. In both cases, positive > statements like "I find it convenient." are valuable. Precisely. And that's what I've given: my opinion that I find the current state convenient. Just one opinion. > In neither case does it seem valuable or worthwhile to disparage > or discount the opinions of other people simply because you > disagree. I couldn't agree more. > If there's a vote to be made, I have helped hundreds of users > (mostly MIT students) who wanted RET to do newline-and-indent > by default in programming modes. It's easy enough to change if > it's not the default, but I certainly think it's a better default. >=20 > I hope that helps, Good, so we have some more opinions in favor of a change.