From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Removing bugs from the blockers Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 15:48:31 +0300 Message-ID: <36aec752-20c3-f154-d129-b5bb59bffacb@yandex.ru> References: <20160509235343.17047.73943@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20160509235343.759D0220128@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <831t569wwu.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1463143727 15017 80.91.229.3 (13 May 2016 12:48:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 12:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 13 14:48:45 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1b1CWL-00056J-FE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 May 2016 14:48:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34436 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b1CWK-0001Ts-IW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 May 2016 08:48:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43044) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b1CWF-0001Qr-R2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2016 08:48:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b1CWB-0002ce-E9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2016 08:48:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wm0-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::22d]:36629) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b1CWB-0002cV-1R; Fri, 13 May 2016 08:48:35 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wm0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id n129so21346181wmn.1; Fri, 13 May 2016 05:48:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+e+wJV3fSxbVzVYOw3xd2yZ2wTrJaYldB7n/whKmKHU=; b=YoQpZ52FSCqRU3HOek+OtQGsEwN7ykGjHUxljf602qsHyBCDxITQDNwu7X42YL9imG qMCEF2fZAPaVVl0BDg2T4Hl1Swnsq3Tn7yvxBA1wTWsdQ+JvW/gQ/XrJRhIY1ep8g518 LKgR+OSYiaQIEA6LMytTFPQ8TT22YjJd11oPz4Qru8LwaGKx1d4h0Nno6Fcw30QX2Qid UrWDeKqA56cdhDelI7ELOWqrbaeXu0gsid0bpq68PW6j7MmlKHKUf+irH4eHBgCGXLLE wCbUAMt/PfJq3jLJhu4QDWujSix8KR4/U1eKkxHVbLS+KpHDsikjnRUR2+TzXeJ4q+km oeog== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+e+wJV3fSxbVzVYOw3xd2yZ2wTrJaYldB7n/whKmKHU=; b=BoFPphiPY86/L23bngA82jfsW0SPptTKhgxWec6xtZyg2tIqXfGm1Sqe0egH1oYpzW Le/MB/NsFbgcH+Lu0HUqPWO0oG8tiS7BnjnWA+AkRshvE4ByS1GnEwB9+qc+F1oJQfhE gZHu1D2oiSvppNJgraTLxRlVyquvvNQiIJrpA5vDaGWEOpQV+gZa6vXNlfiuQ1BBGb9B rVTZ93B0q2jvYVx5EicI2M+AxIzMw2x6hv7wX5JRqIxSpVYoU03tuIIEJVAx/2+iq/xS kUEndvB5dYHVM+uUUUYXWkzYsmv06o897pmLTwPsoE1pgY5IMx5FKb6topDk3hAY0lwP tUAA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FUKibWamd64o11ALIHOcAqLXg3wgAYqtyVbNUTTwtaovngxg7p5Ld+7R4WPt5lspg== X-Received: by 10.28.0.78 with SMTP id 75mr3461022wma.20.1463143714276; Fri, 13 May 2016 05:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id n66sm3166452wmn.7.2016.05.13.05.48.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 13 May 2016 05:48:33 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1 In-Reply-To: <831t569wwu.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:203824 Archived-At: On 05/13/2016 11:36 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > 22884 -- IMO we did everything possible, so the bug could be closed Not closed, but not blocker either. See my last comment in there. > 22338 -- shows up only in rare situations, and reasons are not well > understood; suggest to close I think there's something left to investigate there, but also not a blocker. > 17976 -- actually, a feature request, so should not be blocking It's a bug, but an old one. It had appeared in a few reports already. Also not a blocker. > 20352 -- I thought this was recently resolved, no? Not sure. But the bug is discussing master, so it's probably not a blocker for 25.1. (If you think it should be closed, please post there). > 17693 -- not reproducible on my machine, and no one responded to my > request for reproduction Until someone reconfirms, it should be made a non-blocker. Probably close it if it's silent for a couple of months after today. > 22440 -- someone who knows about package.el should look at this > 23513 -- includes a patch; someone who knows about package.el should > look at this I will if nobody else does. > 19548 -- is worded too generally, and is therefore hard to work on; > perhaps Glenn could make post specific complaints, which then > could be handled one by one Yes, aside from improving the situation with vc-cvs-stay-local and checking that NEWS includes the major changes, I'm not sure what else to do. Look through the manual for outdated information? > 23050 -- is a manifestation of an old bug 18125, and also includes 2 > ideas for solution; also, is specific to a certain workflow, > so there's a workaround If Glenn's proposal would work, we could have it in emacs-25. Otherwise, not a blocker. > 21871 -- discussion ends with an unanswered question to Stefan The question seems rhetorical (unless we want Stefan to fix the bug himself). > 22527 -- sounds like it should be closed? It describes a problem, so probably not. > 21422 -- my opinion on that is in the discussion; 'nuff said Actually, I've fixed the biggest pain point there, so it can be made non-blocker. > 19717 -- a patch was suggested not long ago; can someone review it? The patch looks trivial (one should notice right away if it doesn't work). Someone who's used printing.el at least once in their life should try and install it. > 22147 -- should be closed, I think Probably. > (why is it on the blocking list?) Maybe because the description made is sound like it's a regression. > My conclusion from reviewing these bugs is: I don't really understand > how come some of the bugs were designated as "blocking". The blocking list is largely maintained by one person who cannot understand everything. > A more general conclusion (from both these and other bug reports) is > that we tend to break valid use cases when we refactor some core parts > of Emacs, and the people who worked on refactoring are not always > willing to work on cleaning up the breakage it caused. For example, > the above list includes a few bugs for which the offending commit was > identified, but the guilty parties don't seem to be eager to work on > that. Not sure what do do about that. Revoke commit access? Drop to GNU ELPA or obsolete older and/or niche packages like Viper?