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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283851 Archived-At: > On Jan 1, 2022, at 7:22 PM, Po Lu wrote: >=20 > Yuan Fu writes: >=20 >> I think copy and pasting code would be more straightforward. Using >> custom, whether by defining a custom theme or directly using = customize >> are more complicated. Plus I don=E2=80=99t know how to use custom for = key >> bindings. >=20 > I didn't mean keys, just normal options. >=20 > Not using custom means the user will be asked mysterious questions = when > he tries to customize the option later, and the customization might = not > work. I think splitting them into different parts would be confusing. On the = other hand, =E2=80=9Cvariable modified outside Customize=E2=80=9D = isn=E2=80=99t that mysterious IMO. Customize=E2=80=99s settings should = always override other code, I think they are appended at the end of = init.el every time they are saved. Speaking of that, we are not supposed = to use custom-save-variables in init.el, which makes using custom more = undesirable. >=20 >> They are automatically replaced by text if Emacs can=E2=80=99t = display them. >=20 > Not if my font (Symbola) exists but doesn't really display them well. I think I can fix that. Yuan=