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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254929 Archived-At: On September 9, 2020 8:35:18 PM GMT+02:00, Tim Van den Langenbergh wrote: >Personal preference for a theme should have little if any impact on >Emacs defaults, as (at least on my OpenSUSE KDE desktop) Emacs >is a proper citizen and follows my global theme=2E >The only thing that doesn't follow and which I like to use a custom >theme for is the modeline=2E > Yes, I actually didn't mention the mode line before because with the profi= le solution that could be also solved=2E=2E=2E And we can create several al= ternatives=2E >On Sunday, 6 September 2020 17:00:39 CEST Elias M=C3=A5rtenson wrote: >> On Sun, 6 Sep 2020 at 22:45, Alfred M=2E Szmidt wrote: >>=20 >> > 1) Improve the default theme: Maybe set a default dark theme to >make >> > emacs feel more modern=2E Experienced users usually already have a >custom >> > theme, so they won't be affected=2E There is actually some >statistics >> > about downloades themes here: >> > >> > This would be an utterly disastrous change=2E As an experienced >user, I >> > do not have a custom theme, and prefer to use the defaults of >Emacs=2E >> > >>=20 >> Same for me, and I'm pretty sure we're not alone=2E >>=20 >> Also, while dark background is popular right now, it's not >necessarily >> better=2E Apart from the fact that there is actual science showing that >dark >> backgrounds are worse for one's eyes, I believe the current trend is >merely >> the pendulum is swinging back=2E >>=20 >> Recall that backgrounds used to be dark back in the terminal era=2E >Then >> monitors became better and white background was finally usable=2E Now, >people >> who only ever have experienced white backgrounds wants to change >things for >> the sake of change, so that is now popular, even though it's actually >> quantifiably worse=2E >>=20 >> This Wired article on the topic contains links to actual research on >this: >> https://www=2Ewired=2Eco=2Euk/article/dark-mode-chrome-android-ios-scie= nce >>=20 >> Regards, >> Elias >>=20 --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E