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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:268387 Archived-At: On 25.04.2021 18:11, Stefan Kangas wrote: >>> Shift+Space should probably also act as “scroll a page back” on >>> terminals where this key is distinguishable. > Is that a common convention? I'm testing man and less in xterm, and > they don't scroll up on Shift+Space. > Perhaps not ubiquitous. I thought it worked in 'less', but apparently misremembered. Neigher backspace nor delete do anything in 'less' either, so it's probably not the best comparison. Works in Firefox and Thunderbird, though. But PgUp/PgDown work in less too, so supporting them should be higher priority.