From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phillip Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: HTML-Info design Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:40:03 +0000 Message-ID: <35989F6A4F38F84D8F90745AC30F99790AACBA09@EXMBDB01.campus.ncl.ac.uk> References: <87y4q1fekv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87fvc858c6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ioh4nf8k.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <83y4pzptpx.fsf@gnu.org> <871tnr1gqo.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <83bnmvowdb.fsf@gnu.org> <5499A3E2.2010601@yandex.ru> <87y4pyxiul.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <5499DC8D.5090009@yandex.ru> <87mw6exba0.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <87h9wlxosf.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <86d2767joy.fsf@dod.no> <86vbky5iby.fsf@dod.no> , <86bnmp2w1x.fsf@dod.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419687660 19281 80.91.229.3 (27 Dec 2014 13:41:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:41:00 +0000 (UTC) To: Steinar Bang , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 27 14:40:55 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4rby-0002pA-W9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 14:40:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56008 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4rby-000436-5a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 08:40:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55100) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4rbl-00042y-2I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 08:40:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4rbg-0001xC-EX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 08:40:41 -0500 Original-Received: from cheviot12.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.12]:43244) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4rbg-0001x0-8c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 08:40:36 -0500 Original-Received: from exhubvm01.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.5] helo=EXHUBVM01.campus.ncl.ac.uk) by cheviot12.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4rbb-0003La-C6; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:40:31 +0000 Original-Received: from EXMBDB01.campus.ncl.ac.uk ([fe80::20fe:2208:9f88:3e6e]) by EXHUBVM01.campus.ncl.ac.uk ([2002:80f0:ea05::80f0:ea05]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:40:05 +0000 Thread-Topic: HTML-Info design Thread-Index: AQHQIcTgbhv8Cj2WoEuRkykJ67nzipyjcRcK In-Reply-To: <86bnmp2w1x.fsf@dod.no> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.4.160.6] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180713 Archived-At: They both will work. RDFa is slightly more general, in that it maps through= to RDF and can be considered to be an alternative syntax for it. In the case of HTML-info the level of semantics requires is pretty small. A= s far as I can see, the knowledge is=20 rather limited to a little big of navigational, and index data and some "th= is is a function", "this is a var" data. ________________________________________ From: emacs-devel-bounces+phillip.lord=3Dnewcastle.ac.uk@gnu.org [emacs-dev= el-bounces+phillip.lord=3Dnewcastle.ac.uk@gnu.org] on behalf of Steinar Ban= g [sb@dod.no] Sent: 27 December 2014 11:04 To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: HTML-Info design >>>>> Lennart Borgman : >> Do you mean "microformat"? > It is called microdata, see http://schema.org There is something called "microformat" (which I knew about), as well as something called "microdata" (which I didn't know about). They are similar, but different, and you are right that microdata seems to be able to do the same thing as RDFa. Both microdata and RDFa are metaformats for creating semantic markup. (microformat is more like a set of fixed vocabularies for certain popular kinds of metadata) >> I would be very surprised if google et. al didn't look for both. > So would I be, but at the moment microdata seems to come first. (That (in all probability) doesn't have anything to do with the formats used, but the nature of the pages using them, and the number of "good" pages using them) >> But that's beside the point. What I meant that RDFa is a good way to >> add semantic information to the page, in a form that can be used by an >> emacs HTML-info browser: you can define your own property types in an >> RDFa compliant manner. > Yes. And you can do the same with microdata I think. Yes, it looks like you can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microdata_(HTML) (Personally I'm partial to RDFa, since I already know RDF and read Tim Berners-Lee's thoughts on the semantic web way back when, and I just heard about microdata yesterday)