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From: "Björn Bidar" <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>,
	 p.d.oliver@mavit.org.uk, stefankangas@gmail.com,
	 emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Tree-sitter maturity
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 10:59:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <34231.7288321041$1734685248@news.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86ldwdm7xg.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 18 Dec 2024 15:34:19 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2024 14:11:51 -0800
>> Cc: Peter Oliver <p.d.oliver@mavit.org.uk>,
>>  Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
>>  Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
>>  Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
>> 
>> >> It’s also worth noting that Tree-sitter itself is somewhat
>> > immature; the developers say that until it reaches version 1.0, we
>> > should be wary of potentially unannounced incompatible changes
>> > (although they are trying harder to avoid this, over time).
>> > 
>> > 
>> > [1] https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/editors/tree-sitter
>> 
>> I wonder if we can formalize a way for tree-sitter major modes to
>> state the compatible version of language grammar it uses. Maybe a
>> package.el cookies, or a variable that set, or even just comments in
>> the beginning of the file.
>> 
>> Many major modes already adds entries to treesit-language-source-alist, that could be a good option too.
>> 
>> I especially want built-in major modes to give a version, so that
>> packagers can package Emacs with the right version of tree-sitter
>> grammar. I know Eli has problems with pinning a grammar version for
>> builtin modes before, but I wonder what’s he’s stance now?
>
> What's changed?
>
> Many language grammars don't make official releases and thus don't
> have versions.  Moreover, AFAIK there's no API to determine the
> version of the grammar library we load.  So how can we manage such
> version-pinning in a way that (a) is up-to-date, and (b) doesn't
> preclude people from using a grammar library due to false negatives?

There isn't any version pinning from what I know. There is no stable
definition of the grammar versions. Each grammar is used to generate a
parser based on the tree-sitter version.

I don't think pinning version does make sense especially in this
instance.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-12-20  8:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 188+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-20 15:13 My resignation from Emacs development Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-20 15:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-20 16:23 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-21  6:22   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-21 10:05     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-21 11:23       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-21 11:40         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 10:29   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-21 12:26     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-20 16:42 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-20 17:04 ` tomas
2024-11-20 21:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-21  2:28 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-21 12:34   ` Tree-sitter maturity (was: My resignation from Emacs development) Peter Oliver
2024-11-23 13:41     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-24  2:10     ` Tree-sitter maturity Björn Bidar
     [not found]     ` <67428b3d.c80a0220.2f3036.adbdSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2024-12-17 22:11       ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-18 13:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-19  1:40           ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-19  8:17             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-20  9:13             ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]             ` <6765355b.c80a0220.1a6b24.3117SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2024-12-20  9:29               ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-23  0:43                 ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                 ` <6768b256.c80a0220.222b1b.64e6SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2024-12-24  1:20                   ` Yuan Fu
     [not found]                 ` <87frmfxm8y.fsf@>
2024-12-24  4:52                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-24 12:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 21:31                       ` Xiyue Deng
2024-12-26  4:30                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-27 10:54                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-27 12:40                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 13:46                               ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-27 14:19                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-27 14:24                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-27 14:57                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-27 15:02                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-29  4:19                                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-29  4:23                                           ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-29  7:44                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29  8:01                                               ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-29  8:41                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29  8:59                                                   ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-29  9:14                                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-29  9:24                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 10:01                                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-29 13:35                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 20:12                                                             ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-29 10:13                                                       ` tomas
2024-12-29 10:21                                                       ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-29 14:59                                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-29 14:14                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-12-29  7:26                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 14:36                                     ` Lynn Winebarger
2024-12-29 20:36                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-29 23:29                                         ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                         ` <6771db94.050a0220.386e00.e451SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2024-12-30  0:30                                           ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-30  0:36                                             ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-30  1:00                                               ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-28 12:20                                   ` Peter Oliver
2024-12-28 12:23                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-29 14:50                                     ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-27 14:59                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 15:05                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-27 15:31                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 15:37                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-28  1:08                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-29  4:19                                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-29  4:21                                           ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-29  6:41                                             ` tomas
2024-12-29  6:43                                               ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-29  6:54                                                 ` tomas
2024-12-29  7:05                                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-29  8:56                                                     ` tomas
2024-12-29 15:16                                                   ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-29 15:05                                     ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                     ` <87ed1qedhl.fsf@>
2024-12-29 15:21                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-29 16:02                                         ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                         ` <663726A2-141B-4B98-80FB-BD93E99AC122@dancol.org>
2024-12-29 19:06                                           ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                           ` <6771d84b.050a0220.250914.d0e0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2024-12-30  0:56                                             ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-27 14:11                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-27 15:06                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 18:29                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-28  7:55                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28  8:11                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-28  8:58                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 15:09                           ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-26  4:32                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-26  7:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 14:35                         ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-19 12:23           ` Peter Oliver
2024-12-19 12:42             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-19 13:15             ` Vincenzo Pupillo
2024-12-20  8:59           ` Björn Bidar [this message]
2024-11-21 13:01   ` My resignation from Emacs development Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-21 13:48     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 14:29       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-22  0:01         ` Po Lu
2024-11-22  7:03           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22  8:14             ` Robert Pluim
2024-11-22  8:32               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 23:59               ` Po Lu
2024-11-23  6:39                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 16:29       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22  5:35     ` Adam Porter
2024-11-22  7:24       ` Madhu
2024-11-22  8:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22  9:26           ` Madhu
2024-11-22 12:07             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 12:40           ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-22 13:06           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 13:39             ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-22 14:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-25  4:28             ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-26 17:37               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-12-13  4:35                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-15 15:27                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-12-15 15:48                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-15 20:43                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-12-19  4:22                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-19  8:26                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 22:18           ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-22 10:57       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 23:19         ` Adam Porter
2024-11-26 19:01       ` Daniel Radetsky
2024-11-26 19:51         ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-27  2:18           ` Adam Porter
2024-11-27  9:36             ` Daniel Radetsky
2024-11-27  9:59             ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-30  3:52             ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-30  7:53               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 16:22                 ` Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel [was: My resignation from Emacs development] Drew Adams
2024-11-30 16:56                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 21:06                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-01  6:00                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03  7:26                 ` My resignation from Emacs development Richard Stallman
2024-12-03 13:33                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 16:21               ` Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel [was My resignation from Emacs development] Drew Adams
2024-11-30 17:05                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 21:09                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-01  6:12                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 19:23                       ` Drew Adams
2024-12-03  7:25                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-03 13:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06  4:48                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-02  4:09                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-02 13:04                   ` Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-02 15:32                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-05  5:08                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05  6:33                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-02 15:29                   ` [External] : Re: Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel [was My resignation from Emacs development] Drew Adams
2024-11-27  2:06         ` My resignation from Emacs development Adam Porter
2024-11-27  9:17           ` Daniel Radetsky
2024-11-22 15:36     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-22 17:48       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-23 23:43     ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2024-11-23  6:10   ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-23  7:48     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 11:06       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-23 11:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 12:48           ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-23 23:59       ` Adam Porter
2024-12-01  3:50         ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01  6:19           ` tomas
2024-11-24 18:12     ` Suhail Singh
2024-11-26  4:56       ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-26  7:38         ` Suhail Singh
2024-11-21  5:59 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-22 11:36   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 11:52     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 10:36       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-23 11:31         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 13:39 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-21 19:01   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-21 19:19     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-21 19:47     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 19:40 ` Jim Porter
2024-11-24  4:35   ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-21 23:57 ` Po Lu
2024-11-22 17:26 ` On committing significant and/or controversial changes (was: My resignation from Emacs development) Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-22 17:47   ` Ship Mints
2024-11-22 19:04     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-24  2:35       ` On committing significant and/or controversial changes Björn Bidar
2024-11-24  4:41         ` Adam Porter
2024-11-30  2:16           ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]       ` <87ttbx73zu.fsf@>
2024-11-24  8:26         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 19:01   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23  6:10 ` My resignation from Emacs development Richard Stallman
2024-11-23  8:50   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23  6:10 ` Richard Stallman

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