From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Tweaking t-m-m to make room for d-s-m Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:53:13 -0700 Message-ID: <33DBCF2DFF71401DB0861E66EC29ED2B@us.oracle.com> References: <87sk7pzqsp.fsf@ambire.localdomain><8739zps45s.fsf@mean.albasani.net><87mxxw6c7b.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20100326092833.19294vuz9efv5qg4@webmail.mnet-online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269631710 12415 80.91.229.12 (26 Mar 2010 19:28:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'David Kastrup' , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: , "'Stefan Monnier'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 26 20:28:25 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NvFCi-0000HE-KC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:28:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45466 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NvFCi-0004D9-23 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:28:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NvDjp-0006LL-Fx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:54:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48317 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NvDjn-0006Ks-EN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:54:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NvDji-0005MM-03 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:54:23 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet12.oracle.com ([148.87.113.124]:33045) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NvDjh-0005MC-PO; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:54:21 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o2QHsHXu014402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:54:20 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o2QHsAZR013348; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:54:10 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt001.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 114763341269625995; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:53:15 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.73.76) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:53:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20100326092833.19294vuz9efv5qg4@webmail.mnet-online.de> Thread-Index: AcrMv1PJ9ctlKY1gRfiXFE8JsQH9WgATF9Hw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090208.4BACF4C9.001D:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122712 Archived-At: > Couldn't C-x SPC be used to activate the region (without changing > point and mark)? It seems unused and is easier to type then > Alan's suggestion. -- Mathias C-z That would be just as handy for this as C-g is today. Keep one of `C-x C-z' or `C-z' for `suspend-frame', and use the other to toggle region activeness. I don't see why we need to sacrifice two such useful (and easy-to-type) keys for `suspend-frame'. Look at all of the other simple `C-' keys. They are all still used often, and they are all still pretty good choices. But C-z for `suspend-frame' (instead of some other key) is just a vestige, left over from a time when there was not much competition for that key. It was no doubt picked because of its similarity to C-z in UNIX to put a job in bg. Not a big deal to change that key now, IMO.