From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Juri Linkov'" <juri@jurta.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Unuseful keybindings
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 08:55:19 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <335962219EEB441492591386F8B9DCBE@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fw2xglr0.fsf@mail.jurta.org>
> > There is absolutely no reason for Emacs to bind `f3' and
> `f4' by default.
>
> I have no problem rebinding `f3' to `kill-this-buffer', and `f4' to
> `dired-jump' in ~/.emacs so they work like in GNU Midnight Commander
> (now I use Dired instead of MC, but old habits for keys persist ;-)
No, they should be UNbound. That's the point.
Your proposal is a case of "out of the frying pan and into the fire".
These keys should not just be rebound to other non-repeatable commands (by which
I mean commands that you will not typically be repeated multiple times by simply
holding down the key).
> But there is a worse macro keybinding `C-x q' bound to
> `kbd-macro-query' that prevents using `C-x q' for more useful
> commands like `quit-window'.
Different issue. To avoid confusion it would be good to discuss that binding in
a separate thread (though the Subject line of this one is general enough for
it).
> I think this problem deserves more attention than binding F-keys.
No, it deserves less. It does not reflect a general problem and a problem with
policy. It's truly just about a particular key binding, and it can probably be
discussed and resolved without dealing with any fundamental problem. Another
reason for addressing it in a separate thread. Just a suggestion.
> Regarding `f11', the reason why it's a good change is to provide
> compatibility in Emacs between graphical displays and text terminals.
> In xterm while running `emacs -nw' typing `f11' toggles Full
> Screen mode, but on graphical displays this failed until recent addition
> of the `f11' keybinding.
Again, a pretty weak reason. But better than what's been given so far.
There are other differences between text terminal keys and graphic terminal
keys. And `xterm' is not all text terminals, IIUC (please correct me if I'm
mistaken).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-12-23 16:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-12-18 13:00 Unuseful keybindings Thierry Volpiatto
2012-12-18 13:36 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-12-18 14:48 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-12-18 16:58 ` Sam Steingold
2012-12-18 19:30 ` Mathias Dahl
2012-12-18 19:37 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-12-22 3:22 ` Chong Yidong
2012-12-22 4:39 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-22 5:09 ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-22 21:24 ` Sebastien Vauban
2012-12-22 21:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2012-12-22 22:46 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-22 23:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2012-12-23 0:45 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23 1:07 ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-23 1:19 ` Daniel Colascione
2012-12-23 1:54 ` advertizing keyboard macros better [was: Unuseful keybindings] Drew Adams
2012-12-23 2:10 ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-23 9:29 ` Unuseful keybindings Juri Linkov
2012-12-23 16:55 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2012-12-26 14:32 ` Kevin Rodgers
2012-12-26 22:21 ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-27 3:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-12-23 14:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2012-12-23 14:57 ` Jambunathan K
2012-12-23 16:52 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23 17:47 ` Jambunathan K
2012-12-23 18:44 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23 19:36 ` Jambunathan K
2012-12-23 20:25 ` Jambunathan K
2012-12-23 21:04 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-24 9:35 ` Juri Linkov
2012-12-24 13:02 ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-24 14:13 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23 17:03 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23 17:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2012-12-23 18:51 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23 20:53 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-12-23 21:13 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-24 21:43 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23 21:25 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-12-24 9:39 ` Juri Linkov
2012-12-23 17:58 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-12-23 18:42 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23 0:19 ` Mathias Dahl
2012-12-23 0:55 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23 9:32 ` Juri Linkov
2012-12-23 10:37 ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-23 10:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2012-12-23 11:22 ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-22 22:28 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-22 7:42 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-12-22 8:23 ` Juri Linkov
2012-12-23 9:31 ` Juri Linkov
2012-12-24 10:29 ` Juri Linkov
2012-12-24 17:10 ` Juri Linkov
2012-12-29 5:57 ` Chong Yidong
2013-01-10 19:17 ` Sam Steingold
2013-01-10 19:13 ` Sam Steingold
2013-01-10 22:38 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-01-11 0:31 ` Juri Linkov
2013-01-11 1:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-11 9:58 ` Juri Linkov
2013-01-11 14:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-11 18:26 ` chad
2013-01-12 0:50 ` Juri Linkov
2013-01-12 10:03 ` Jan Djärv
2013-01-13 10:19 ` Juri Linkov
2013-01-13 11:19 ` Jan Djärv
2012-12-19 0:27 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-19 6:32 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-12-19 16:43 ` Leo
2012-12-18 13:40 ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-18 17:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-12-18 17:49 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-12-18 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
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