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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Juri Linkov'" <juri@jurta.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Unuseful keybindings
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 08:55:19 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <335962219EEB441492591386F8B9DCBE@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fw2xglr0.fsf@mail.jurta.org>

> > There is absolutely no reason for Emacs to bind `f3' and 
> `f4' by default.
> 
> I have no problem rebinding `f3' to `kill-this-buffer', and `f4' to
> `dired-jump' in ~/.emacs so they work like in GNU Midnight Commander
> (now I use Dired instead of MC, but old habits for keys persist ;-)

No, they should be UNbound.  That's the point.
Your proposal is a case of "out of the frying pan and into the fire".

These keys should not just be rebound to other non-repeatable commands (by which
I mean commands that you will not typically be repeated multiple times by simply
holding down the key).

> But there is a worse macro keybinding `C-x q' bound to 
> `kbd-macro-query' that prevents using `C-x q' for more useful
> commands like `quit-window'.

Different issue.  To avoid confusion it would be good to discuss that binding in
a separate thread (though the Subject line of this one is general enough for
it).

> I think this problem deserves more attention than binding F-keys.

No, it deserves less.  It does not reflect a general problem and a problem with
policy.  It's truly just about a particular key binding, and it can probably be
discussed and resolved without dealing with any fundamental problem.  Another
reason for addressing it in a separate thread.  Just a suggestion.

> Regarding `f11', the reason why it's a good change is to provide
> compatibility in Emacs between graphical displays and text terminals.
> In xterm while running `emacs -nw' typing `f11' toggles Full 
> Screen mode, but on graphical displays this failed until recent addition 
> of the `f11' keybinding.

Again, a pretty weak reason.  But better than what's been given so far.

There are other differences between text terminal keys and graphic terminal
keys.  And `xterm' is not all text terminals, IIUC (please correct me if I'm
mistaken).




  reply	other threads:[~2012-12-23 16:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-12-18 13:00 Unuseful keybindings Thierry Volpiatto
2012-12-18 13:36 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-12-18 14:48   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-12-18 16:58     ` Sam Steingold
2012-12-18 19:30     ` Mathias Dahl
2012-12-18 19:37       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-12-22  3:22         ` Chong Yidong
2012-12-22  4:39           ` Drew Adams
2012-12-22  5:09             ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-22 21:24             ` Sebastien Vauban
2012-12-22 21:48               ` Dmitry Gutov
2012-12-22 22:46                 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-22 23:32                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2012-12-23  0:45                     ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23  1:07                       ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-23  1:19                         ` Daniel Colascione
2012-12-23  1:54                           ` advertizing keyboard macros better [was: Unuseful keybindings] Drew Adams
2012-12-23  2:10                             ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-23  9:29                       ` Unuseful keybindings Juri Linkov
2012-12-23 16:55                         ` Drew Adams [this message]
2012-12-26 14:32                           ` Kevin Rodgers
2012-12-26 22:21                             ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-27  3:42                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-12-23 14:41                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2012-12-23 14:57                         ` Jambunathan K
2012-12-23 16:52                           ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23 17:47                             ` Jambunathan K
2012-12-23 18:44                               ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23 19:36                                 ` Jambunathan K
2012-12-23 20:25                                 ` Jambunathan K
2012-12-23 21:04                                   ` Drew Adams
2012-12-24  9:35                                   ` Juri Linkov
2012-12-24 13:02                                     ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-24 14:13                                       ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23 17:03                         ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23 17:33                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2012-12-23 18:51                             ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23 20:53                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-12-23 21:13                               ` Drew Adams
2012-12-24 21:43                                 ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23 21:25                               ` Andreas Schwab
2012-12-24  9:39                               ` Juri Linkov
2012-12-23 17:58                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-12-23 18:42                             ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23  0:19                   ` Mathias Dahl
2012-12-23  0:55                     ` Drew Adams
2012-12-23  9:32                 ` Juri Linkov
2012-12-23 10:37                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-23 10:56                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2012-12-23 11:22                       ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-22 22:28               ` Drew Adams
2012-12-22  7:42           ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-12-22  8:23           ` Juri Linkov
2012-12-23  9:31             ` Juri Linkov
2012-12-24 10:29               ` Juri Linkov
2012-12-24 17:10                 ` Juri Linkov
2012-12-29  5:57                   ` Chong Yidong
2013-01-10 19:17                     ` Sam Steingold
2013-01-10 19:13                 ` Sam Steingold
2013-01-10 22:38                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-01-11  0:31                   ` Juri Linkov
2013-01-11  1:17                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-11  9:58                       ` Juri Linkov
2013-01-11 14:42                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-01-11 18:26                         ` chad
2013-01-12  0:50                           ` Juri Linkov
2013-01-12 10:03                             ` Jan Djärv
2013-01-13 10:19                               ` Juri Linkov
2013-01-13 11:19                                 ` Jan Djärv
2012-12-19  0:27       ` Drew Adams
2012-12-19  6:32         ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-12-19 16:43         ` Leo
2012-12-18 13:40 ` Xue Fuqiao
2012-12-18 17:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-12-18 17:49   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-12-18 19:10     ` Eli Zaretskii

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