From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Cecilio Pardo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Physical keyboard events Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2024 17:58:51 +0100 Message-ID: <32e321bb-0f1b-4337-8765-9593480c08e4@imayhem.com> References: <31bdc55d-8c13-4de0-9cef-bd6cc4fb033f@imayhem.com> <19ab52d0-88bd-4378-8fa8-8603e01233e3@imayhem.com> <871pzrl4sn.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o72vjk1f.fsf@yahoo.com> <86fro7uo6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87bjyvjdk2.fsf@yahoo.com> <867c9juetb.fsf@gnu.org> <87wmhiihzx.fsf@yahoo.com> <7c1b4258-447f-433c-939e-21df7f9eeec3@imayhem.com> <87ses6hx27.fsf@yahoo.com> <3cc3b427-0adf-49e7-8db7-506803c2b29b@imayhem.com> <87o72tj2hd.fsf@yahoo.com> <8545224f-07a8-435d-8be4-fac9a3b20409@imayhem.com> <86ed3osd3o.fsf@gnu.org> <87bjyrj3e6.fsf@yahoo.com> <86ses3r1ey.fsf@gnu.org> <877c9fhzzq.fsf@yahoo.com> <86r07noxks.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37163"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 07 18:00:01 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1t95rU-0009V4-Ru for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 18:00:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t95qq-0007fh-22; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 11:59:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t95qn-0007VM-9E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 11:59:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.imayhem.com ([82.223.54.191] helo=zealous-pike.82-223-54-191.plesk.page) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t95ql-0000A6-6r; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 11:59:17 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.68.102] (111.red-88-21-7.staticip.rima-tde.net [88.21.7.111]) by zealous-pike.82-223-54-191.plesk.page (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DDAB7800F2; Thu, 7 Nov 2024 16:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: zealous-pike.82-223-54-191.plesk.page; spf=pass (sender IP is 88.21.7.111) smtp.mailfrom=cpardo@imayhem.com smtp.helo=[192.168.68.102] Received-SPF: pass (zealous-pike.82-223-54-191.plesk.page: connection is authenticated) Content-Language: es-ES In-Reply-To: <86r07noxks.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=82.223.54.191; envelope-from=cpardo@imayhem.com; helo=zealous-pike.82-223-54-191.plesk.page X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325233 Archived-At: On 07/11/2024 16:47, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Po Lu >> Cc: cpardo@imayhem.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2024 22:36:57 +0800 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >>>> From: Po Lu >>>> Cc: cpardo@imayhem.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >>>> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2024 08:25:53 +0800 >>>> >>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >>>> >>>>> I already said that we could have both what you want and what Cecilio >>>>> considers TRT. Why do you keep arguing for your concept as the only >>>>> one? >>>> >>>> Because the former is fatally hamstrung for many users, from whom we >>>> will undoubtedly receive a spate of issues reporting that their modifier >>>> keys are not producing activation events. >>> >>> I understand what you are saying, but Cecilio and myself clearly >>> disagree, so why not have both abilities in Emacs (assuming that it is >>> possible and practical)? >> >> That would be redundant, since there is no key binding inexpressible >> with the events I propose that can be expressed with events generated >> from keysyms. > > It isn't redundant, since it reports different events from the same > keys. What about reporting an event, but with all pieces of information? Alt_L Meta Meta_L The 'keysym', the 'modifier' or nil, the 'sided-modifier' with an _L because the keysym has an _L, or nil.