From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 16:57:25 +0900 Message-ID: <3295789C-D737-402B-A750-9C3F552FE85F@traduction-libre.org> References: <831ro2tqqx.fsf@gnu.org> <4a1fd3f4-df92-c756-9874-4d07b54148ac@yandex.ru> <83v9lesapw.fsf@gnu.org> <83pnbms9m8.fsf@gnu.org> <83a72qs4z2.fsf@gnu.org> <83wo5uqoh5.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="66405"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 03 09:58:49 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jV9WT-000HAV-3b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 09:58:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43130 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jV9WS-0003T9-6q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 03:58:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50672) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jV9Vz-0002eO-40 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 03:58:19 -0400 Original-Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]:59677) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jV9Vx-0006xH-GH; Sun, 03 May 2020 03:58:18 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.53.210.217 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.13] (pl6361.ag0304.nttpc.ne.jp [128.53.210.217]) (Authenticated sender: jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8BDCC60003; Sun, 3 May 2020 07:57:29 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83wo5uqoh5.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.195; envelope-from=jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org; helo=relay3-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/03 03:58:12 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248646 Archived-At: > On May 3, 2020, at 1:40, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 >> From: Philippe Vaucher >> I think you need boths. Do you think the Ruby documentation I linked = is bad? >=20 > It's worse than the ELisp manual, yes. In terms of visual contrast/cues, it is not. On a separate note, I've tried to work on syntax highlighting for the = manual but there are issues with texinfo where Gavin prefers not tagging = all the symbols and I can't help much with the solution he has in mind. Also: > On May 3, 2020, at 4:54, Philippe Vaucher = wrote: >=20 > For quite a lot of people, this page = http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/elisp_string_functions.html is much simpler = to use & learn from than this page = https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Strings-and-Char= acters.html >=20 > It does not mean that the later page is bad, it is actually more = complete, better documented, already grouped in topics... and yet, a lot = of people prefer the first page... straight to the point, simple = examples. I, for one, prefer the ergoemacs approach. =E2=80=A2 I can read the page in a reasonable amount of time, =E2=80=A2 I can figure out what functions do and how to use them =E2=80=A2 I can quickly imagine new ways of doing things =E2=80=A2 and I can refer to the manual when I want deeper knowledge In fact, when I can't make sense of the manual or find my way in it, I = usually check the ergoemacs pages. As mentioned above, I think the ergoemacs pages work well because of the = way they use visual cues. We don't have many visual cues in the manual. = That makes the manual uselessly more difficult to read. Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune