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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -50 X-Spam_score: -5.1 X-Spam_bar: ----- X-Spam_report: (-5.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NICE_REPLY_A=-3.576, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255114 Archived-At: On 11.09.2020 09:01, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Disabling the menu bar and the tool bar, let alone doing that by > default, makes very little sense to me. I'm running with both of them > enable, although I rarely if ever use them. Toolbar takes up space. We also reportedly have less than high quality icons in there, on some platforms more than others. The distros we're talking about usually pride themselves (among other things) on "slick" appearance and keyboard-only interaction. There's a small chance they will enable the menu by default just because you asked, but the toolbar is a lost cause.