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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:236617 Archived-At: > In Info-edit: > info.el:4415:4:Warning: =E2=80=98Info-edit-mode=E2=80=99 is an obsolete f= unction (as of 24.4); > editing Info nodes by hand is not recommended. >=20 > which is > (make-obsolete 'Info-edit-mode > =09 "editing Info nodes by hand is not recommended." "24.4") >=20 > (defun Info-edit () > "Edit the contents of this Info node." > (interactive) > (Info-edit-mode) > (message "%s" (substitute-command-keys > =09=09 "Editing: Type \\\\[Info-cease-edit] to > return to info"))) >=20 > (put 'Info-edit 'disabled "Editing Info nodes by hand is not recommended. > This feature will be removed in future.") >=20 > (make-obsolete 'Info-edit > =09 "editing Info nodes by hand is not recommended." "24.4") >=20 > etc etc etc. All the Info-edit stuff was declared obsolete in 24.4, and > I seem to recall that our policy for removing obsolete stuff is two > release cycles? (I couldn't find anything in admin/notes that said > anything about this explicitly...) So it OK to remove all the Info-edit > modes and commands now? FWIW, I don't think we should have declared it "obsolete". It's OK to recommend not editing nodes, but I don't see why we would remove the possibility. It's a quick-and-easy (or quick-and-dirty, if you prefer) way for a user to add her own notes or clarifications to the existing doc. So what if it's temporary, hackish, not texinfo etc.? Has its existence ever hurt anyone? Is it a pain to "maintain"? Yes, I said this at the time. Just one opinion. Does no harm, can be somewhat useful. Just remove the runtime warning and leave it disabled by default: voila - "cleaner build."