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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249908 Archived-At: On 12.05.2020 01:59, Stefan Kangas wrote: > Dmitry Gutov writes: > >> Yesterday, this was posted on Reddit as a concept: >> https://camo.githubusercontent.com/7f0804a2670362a0623a0ede5338e5bd8655078c/68747470733a2f2f692e726564642e69742f366870626f66343078737834312e706e67 >> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/ggnekq/a_very_minimal_but_elegant_emacs_i_think/ >> >> What do you think of the style? > > Thanks for pointing this out. > > This is very nice indeed. It's a bit of a different direction, but I > like some of the main ideas a lot. It's a lot different indeed, but maybe a combination could work. Your version improved usability while keeping (or even improving) information density. This new one is pretty, but with lower density, and much too long for the startup screen. >> It seems that the author has assigned copyright for some art to FSF in >> the past, so we could ask for an assignment for Emacs. And then base our >> screen on this, adjusting the actual information shown to best suit our >> requirements. > > That's a very good idea. I will contact him in private to see if he > wants to sign the papers, or better yet collaborate with us. Thank you. > Best regards, > Stefan Kangas > > PS. He is also using the very nice font "Roboto Mono". Maybe we could > consider adding a stronger default font selection, dependent upon > `system-type'? Why not. I don't have that font installed, though, and it's still a beauty with "Ubuntu Mono". Just some positioning is a little bit off (the first page ends a tiny bit earlier than expected). Either way, we should try to make the startup screen work okay with the default system monospace fonts too.