From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 127ab231be 1/2: Attempt to clarify Input Focus documentation Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 15:53:08 +0000 Message-ID: <2d1b683c22a58e9509e6@heytings.org> References: <166368675497.15121.15081377110947098460@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20220920151239.61451C00871@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87czbpihyl.fsf@yahoo.com> <2d1b683c2245a1b1035c@heytings.org> <87v8phgfv0.fsf@yahoo.com> <2d1b683c22ba04ac1445@heytings.org> <83h711ueqo.fsf@gnu.org> <2d1b683c220e3aaa4d07@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17970"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org To: Andreas Schwab Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 21 18:15:55 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ob2O9-0004SB-3k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 18:15:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57290 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ob2O7-0007Ge-U8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:15:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51076) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ob22D-00086E-Q7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 11:53:14 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:51072) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ob22B-0006Mj-PK; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 11:53:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20220101; t=1663775588; bh=MjzE8Lx42gdBp7RlixyCD+tGUaeMcDxWz9lsUGg8nF4=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=MN2UI6Eq0B+hXwn1+mw6xp6vYTwH3p33+fvCyh6VZ7seSWkPxsEAEeisy0UHgr/SG 1AmevzrF59DqEQyYI9Nh++o1a5R/r8KTQN2xRQElf2s/TbUZccTOHroUayhX/bo2nN 0UeGcMzg4MIUQ7VRwUgDZBL/6jBRHSEz2nXgxaVg0uYcpd2WJifxf5uQgIOjgMQ9zx S7fJTxkr2w1nomYp+c62nBtEV4oGMGgNafCcHR3q0AOrGeSn2ZEY+FIGF7hCtvlLvI im/wYgm7XcAWmYCfUPnF9n6swJIrhrHQqbdhP73oDFGUSXrvSf0V09WHYxueUJ6gqw Gmj7CLoiWqJ5g== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295928 Archived-At: >> The focus-follows-mouse policy is indeed superior for advanced users, >> but I think it must be admitted that it isn't appropriate for regular >> users. It breaks the "desk" mental model, with which you always act on >> the topmost element, which is the one that is fully visible. With the >> focus-follows-mouse policy you can act on any element that is partly >> visible, but that means that you can e.g. type on the keyboard without >> seeing any visible effect on the screen. > > Though this is the raise-on-focus option, which is independent from > focus-follows-mouse vs. click-to-focus. > It depends on how you look at it, I guess. I would rather present it as a sub-option: 1. click-to-focus (default behavior on Windows and macOS) 2. focus-follows-mouse (traditional behavior on X11) 2.1. raise-on-click (default) 2.2. raise-on-focus