From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniele Nicolodi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CUA-theme? Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:35:53 +0200 Message-ID: <2cfab915-7f58-0941-b8bf-e95bf969bf5d@grinta.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28682"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 17 14:43:41 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kItGG-0007Kx-7j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:43:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51432 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kItGF-0006Hx-9c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:43:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38014) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIt8r-0004mP-K4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:36:01 -0400 Original-Received: from grinta.net ([109.74.203.128]:57346) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIt8o-00057f-Ov for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:36:01 -0400 Original-Received: from black.local (unknown [37.120.217.164]) (Authenticated sender: daniele) by grinta.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D341CE459C for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 12:35:54 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=grinta.net; s=2020; t=1600346155; bh=ce4xEpIRzQR/NbpfGHB3Sv22HohreCsKv7iXL0+EuxE=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=YRawuHL4PGssq13PqC8XtjdtfXm5rgJBeSmu1cWK1cgT7S4unEcXt2rZwnvW0LOaM 28NdeD/CnuswxII4mC45tp5vGHDD0wewlvsakEkgLJZs9ARzprypRUiePA2XND5Lhu +JZWg0qxi5iVSJnGyA73fPe/XoCCAxm7HPLiv3nnnhwsB0fcJGTZRmHcsQzz9P2JDm TIc5oGVFhS7njpq1lIZsKG+IecIuqe0T0VyYDl5ItcI6Qe7WiMn2dNtFLf5V/NjER1 mBzDIFeOoRvJicVON4Gggz60UnTuhYOp10CYQhAXulWrdAQvaAx8nnWy/gPASkSvsT FpB+ZDqO1aKdw== In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=109.74.203.128; envelope-from=daniele@grinta.net; helo=grinta.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/17 07:08:52 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255984 Archived-At: On 17/09/2020 14:29, Robert Pluim wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 13:08:50 +0200, Daniele Nicolodi said: > > Daniele> On 16/09/2020 15:29, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> Would it make sense to define a new custom-theme (or minor-mode until > >> custom-theme can handle that) which makes Emacs's behavior match the > >> "standard" in most other applications? > > Daniele> If I understand correctly the recent discussions, one of the main goals > Daniele> is to make Emacs more accessible to newcomers. In this respect, are we > Daniele> sure that using the "theme" concept, associated (outside the Emacs > Daniele> world) with customizing how applications looks, to configure the > Daniele> application behavior is a good idea? > > Daniele> Reportedly, one of the things that newcomers struggle with is the > Daniele> peculiar and unique jargon used to describe Emacs concepts. This would > Daniele> add one more. I think the concept of "mode" as something that changes > Daniele> application behavior is well established and easier to explain. > > Except you then engender confusion with the Emacs concept of > modes. Perhaps we should call them 'user type profiles' or something, > then we could call them 'new-to-emacs-profile', 'vanilla-profile', etc. Why do you think there would be confusion with the Emacs concept of mode? Aren't Emacs modes things that change how Emacs behaves and defines keybindings? Cheers, Dan