From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "ken manheimer" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "scroll-fringe" Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:34:48 -0400 Message-ID: <2cd46e7f0806301434o14060b2cof4875470ab68a9f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <2cd46e7f0806291019q7ab8cb9fh2f5dff9c9d542f2c@mail.gmail.com> <2cd46e7f0806291036j4e80ab1clbe7be87cbb25f7f3@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214861713 28912 80.91.229.12 (30 Jun 2008 21:35:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: "Stefan Monnier" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 30 23:35:58 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KDR2M-0002w9-Uk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:35:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55646 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KDR1W-0007vt-9V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:34:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KDR1Q-0007vf-UZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:34:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KDR1O-0007uu-Ml for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:34:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60971 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KDR1O-0007up-K1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:34:50 -0400 Original-Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.178]:22616) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KDR1O-0002Vg-9W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:34:50 -0400 Original-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so1686839wag.10 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:34:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=K/a8j52IhL4grrSDomXml4JLFa7SCmxHscnGNzkFVQ4=; b=mUoLCYGtbM3gnn1L1+WxmuJc9n54YxQ604MwmtjAQacVdYVWiryDLf5tiYlBrhQQIR 7J5LEd2XtqTSvi2Tk5RGLgNtUpZ4KWGsOPdNkUPvnbzpZH0zayyuRnIyp+cyl+jy+VWC 62EaYuCXSXb1K1PJkJSxisvTaGhOnnz0wYlik= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=LSW3VIBrsH84udkyu0ENgSkUDup0tybQ9JahOUCud0wWJz1loF24guN/Zixg8J5YLo yvMBLdDohTC5TH2oF3Y4W4cC128QCDRmRl2Duw0jLRAWBRwrfcQksb7Zq8pbwxGwsz97 mXyBDUjPeVuOgPX0qUsURkDpG0dfBanmgrSSo= Original-Received: by 10.114.180.18 with SMTP id c18mr4828203waf.128.1214861688600; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.114.201.14 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:34:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100245 Archived-At: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> i've been thinking for a while about the usefulness of the scrollbar >> versus its space consumption and visual incongruity, and recently >> turned the scrollbar off. the only thing i miss is the opportunity to >> see at a glance the proportion of the buffer that the window covers, > > Indeed, that was also my conclusion when I tried it: for actual > movement, scroll-wheels, key-shortcuts, as well as things like > mouse-drag-throw work just as well. > >> and it seems like that would not at all be a hard thing to implement >> in the fringes, given the right knowledge. > > I'm not completely convinced it's that easy to do right now. But yes, > it could be done with some work at the C level. But it would only be > meaningful if it works together with the usual fringe use. If not, then > you may as well turn off the fringe and turn on the scrollbar. yeah - i would really be looking for a minimal indicator, like a region colored differently than the other fringe indicators so the other indicators could coexist with the new indicator bar. > As for me, I still have a scroll-bar, but I made it very thin (changing > the scroll-bar-width frame parameter). it's handy to hear about both mouse-drag-throw and the scroll-bar-width parameter! i would be more comfortable with a thinner scrollbar if i could get the colors more consistent with my setup - customizing the scroll bar face doesn't seem to have any effect at all. am i trying to set the wrong thing? anyway, thanks for the leads, and for considering the fringe window/buffer indicator idea. sounds like it could be viable, given interest from someone w/the c-level chops. > Stefan -- ken http://myriadicity.net