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From: "Ken Manheimer" <ken.manheimer@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Cc: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>,
	eliz@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, "Kim F. Storm" <storm@cua.dk>
Subject: Re: Reordering etc/NEWS
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:39:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2cd46e7f0705101039i79c7d541ye62c288aa0ec5020@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <876470ekuz.fsf@red-bean.com>

this doesn't seem to me to be a good time to try to settle problems
with the development process.  it's unprecedented that a single,
finite issue has been identified as being the only release blocker,
and there is a lot of tension built up around the release and the
process.  it looks like there will be genuine opportunity to address
the development process after the release, and the facts of the way
the process has gone are not going to fade.

sometimes you have to wait.  more.  personally, i urgently want the
pending multi-tty capabilities
(http://lorentey.hu/project/emacs.html), but i see settling the
release as much more important, no question, even if it means missing
a window to land lorentey's changes .  likewise with other
developments - when someone is maxed out, telling them "just give me
instructions and i can get out of your hair" often is more load for
the subject than that requester realizes.

(incidentally, this seems like the worst possile moment for questions
about perceptions of failures in the process.  talk about loaded
questions!  how could you expect a productive conversation about that
right now?  i would wait on that kind of thing, unless you honestly
think they're needed for a direction change that will help *right
now*.)

i like emacs 22.  a lot.  i look forward to it landing.
-- 
ken manheimer
http://myriadicity.net

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-10 17:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 251+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-04 21:17 Reordering etc/NEWS Richard Stallman
2007-05-05 22:42 ` Glenn Morris
2007-05-05 22:49   ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-06 17:57   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-06 18:18     ` Glenn Morris
2007-05-06 20:28     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-07 16:50       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-07 17:07         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-08  6:27           ` Jan Djärv
2007-05-07 17:36         ` Glenn Morris
2007-05-07 18:05           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 17:53         ` spect. [Was: Reordering etc/NEWS] Alan Mackenzie
2007-05-07 18:16           ` Mathias Dahl
2007-05-07 21:51         ` Reordering etc/NEWS Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-07 22:04           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-08 18:09           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-08 21:09             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-09  8:57             ` Kim F. Storm
2007-05-09  9:23               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-09 17:54               ` JD Smith
2007-05-09 19:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-09 19:59                   ` JD Smith
2007-05-09 20:29                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-09 20:54                   ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-10 13:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-09 21:56               ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-09 22:15                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-09 22:25                   ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-09 22:32                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-09 22:59                       ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-10  7:24                       ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-10  7:49                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10  8:04                           ` joakim
2007-05-10  9:19                             ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-10  9:32                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10  9:42                               ` joakim
2007-05-10  9:52                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 10:10                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 23:27                                     ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12  7:53                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 12:09                                         ` Multi-tty design (Re: Reordering etc/NEWS) Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-12 13:34                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 17:21                                             ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12 18:03                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 11:08                                                 ` Károly Lőrentey
2007-05-13 12:50                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 16:41                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 17:04                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-13 17:18                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 18:11                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-13 18:17                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 18:22                                                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-13 20:13                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 20:41                                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 21:11                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22  0:39                                                                   ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-05-13 21:18                                                                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14  6:33                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 21:05                                                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 10:11                                                               ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-14 10:37                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 11:35                                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-14 12:24                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 12:45                                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-14 12:52                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 13:36                                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-14 13:41                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 13:42                                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-14 16:48                                                                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 17:29                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 18:19                                                                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 19:07                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 20:04                                                                                       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 20:24                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 21:02                                                                                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 21:20                                                                                             ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-14 21:49                                                                                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 22:00                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-15 19:38                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-14 21:27                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 22:13                                                                                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 22:27                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 22:38                                                                                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-05-14 22:44                                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 23:03                                                                                                       ` Multi-tty design Nick Roberts
2007-05-14 23:29                                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-15  7:44                                                                                                       ` Multi-tty design (Re: Reordering etc/NEWS) Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-15  8:24                                                                                                         ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-16  1:51                                                                                                       ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-14 22:59                                                                                                     ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-14 23:22                                                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-05-14 22:42                                                                                                   ` joakim
2007-05-14 22:55                                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 22:50                                                                                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 23:05                                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-05-15  7:41                                                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-15 16:48                                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-05-14 22:35                                                                                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-05-15 15:53                                                                                             ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-16  1:41                                                                                               ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-16 15:41                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-17 13:12                                                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-17 15:31                                                                                                     ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-17 17:00                                                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-17 20:02                                                                                                         ` Ken Raeburn
2007-05-17 21:17                                                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18  3:36                                                                                                           ` Károly Lőrentey
2007-05-17 22:51                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-18  2:58                                                                                                         ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18  7:19                                                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 11:04                                                                                                             ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18 11:48                                                                                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 11:58                                                                                                                 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18  2:52                                                                                                       ` Miles Bader
2007-05-17 22:46                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-17 14:35                                                                                                   ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-17  9:59                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-17 14:05                                                                                                   ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-17 16:46                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-17 23:11                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-18  7:36                                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 14:24                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-18 14:49                                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 16:27                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-20  9:04                                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 13:15                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 13:35                                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22  1:54                                                                                                                   ` Miles Bader
2007-05-22  6:37                                                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22 15:49                                                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-22 21:26                                                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-23 18:55                                                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-23 19:24                                                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-24 10:55                                                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-24 11:04                                                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 15:18                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-18  2:47                                                                                                   ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18  8:14                                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 11:55                                                                                                       ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18 12:24                                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 17:40                                                                                                           ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18 18:18                                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 23:09                                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-20 18:13                                                                                                             ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-14 21:05                                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 21:52                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 16:48                                       ` Reordering etc/NEWS Richard Stallman
2007-05-10 10:24                                   ` joakim
2007-05-10 10:24                                 ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-11 22:58                               ` Multi-tty branch status (Re: Reordering etc/NEWS) Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12  4:20                                 ` Glenn Morris
2007-05-12  6:48                                   ` Kalle Olavi Niemitalo
2007-05-12  7:58                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 16:48                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 10:30                                   ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-12 11:11                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 21:52                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 16:48                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 17:25                                   ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-10 10:28                         ` Reordering etc/NEWS YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2007-05-09 22:58                     ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-10  6:21                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10  1:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-10  1:43                       ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-11  7:42                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-11  8:03                     ` Kenichi Handa
2007-05-11  8:34                       ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-11  8:44                       ` Merging multitty (was: Reordering etc/NEWS) David Kastrup
2007-05-11  9:20                         ` Merging multitty Jason Rumney
2007-05-11 10:00                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 10:25                             ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-11 11:01                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 21:05                               ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12 16:48                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 17:58                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 10:52                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2007-05-12 19:32                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-12 19:42                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 20:19                                       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-12 20:27                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 20:30                                     ` Samium Gromoff
2007-05-11 21:10                               ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-11 12:00                             ` Kenichi Handa
2007-05-11 13:14                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 13:33                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 13:51                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 13:57                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 14:09                                       ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-11 14:17                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 14:34                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-05-11 21:34                                   ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12  7:43                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 13:34                               ` merging Unicode branch and availability of Windows binaries Drew Adams
2007-05-14 14:16                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-05-14 14:30                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 15:05                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-05-14 17:32                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 21:56                           ` Merging multitty Richard Stallman
2007-05-11  9:45                         ` Miles Bader
2007-05-11 10:02                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 21:56                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-13  1:33                             ` Miles Bader
2007-05-13  3:11                               ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-13  3:27                                 ` Miles Bader
2007-05-13  4:00                                   ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-13  4:21                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-05-13 12:43                                       ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-14  8:08                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-14 10:19                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-05-14 11:02                                     ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-14 14:46                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2007-05-15  9:46                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-15 20:49                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                         ` <4649F799.3050108@lorentey.hu>
2007-05-16  1:39                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-10 13:06               ` Reordering etc/NEWS Richard Stallman
2007-05-10 14:14                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-10 14:25                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 14:49                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-10 17:15                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 17:21                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-10 15:53                 ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-10 17:39                   ` Ken Manheimer [this message]
2007-05-10 17:44                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11  8:50                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 11:23                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 15:46                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 16:09                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 17:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 17:49                     ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-11 18:26                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 18:37                         ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-12  7:22                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-12  7:59                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 13:24                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-12 16:47                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-11 18:48                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-11 21:46                     ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-10 17:13                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 18:48                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-07 16:50       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-07 21:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-07 21:56           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 10:05     ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-05-07 10:12       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 13:39         ` Jay Belanger
2007-05-07 13:45           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 13:54             ` Thomas Hühn
2007-05-07 14:03               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 14:57       ` Chong Yidong
2007-05-07 23:28         ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-07 23:28       ` Richard Stallman

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