From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ken Manheimer" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: need option so line-move-to-column ignores fields, plus patch Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:47:11 -0400 Message-ID: <2cd46e7f0609070747o5028d2bewd5a9e79a5afd4a46@mail.gmail.com> References: <2cd46e7f0608310848l743430e9ia7a1d45e22428083@mail.gmail.com> <2cd46e7f0608312339s16a2a101p8c30840bbdeb0d22@mail.gmail.com> <2cd46e7f0609032143v311b670dra2d2ef679dd936@mail.gmail.com> <2cd46e7f0609041256q73c0c0d3s7631a964ae9a8367@mail.gmail.com> <2cd46e7f0609060952m54601787x8c91412af7fbf69f@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1157640529 9511 80.91.229.2 (7 Sep 2006 14:48:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 07 16:48:46 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLLAN-0001pE-5T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:47:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLLAM-0005cY-Q1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:47:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLL9w-0005Ey-7A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:47:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLL9u-0005Ax-8D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:47:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLL9t-0005AZ-St for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:47:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.225] (helo=wr-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLLAH-0001oC-MK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:47:37 -0400 Original-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so54005wra for ; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:47:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=knpO5pAVa3Rff5xFpzmwxrXgrTGNVS8HSAux6jazVevkFC5GjjDF/TVdzAxrwQ8ovZBAxPDslVegKEPV85xA+qXCCCS1Ajo0MMgbkR7SM2pLZPQIo+ZAADDdzxG6kYxVdk/bAsTEuI/g32IiSOQ+b1tZIKoPLWR+Av3SvhQwhwo= Original-Received: by 10.90.118.10 with SMTP id q10mr227862agc; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.90.105.4 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 07:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:59513 Archived-At: On 9/7/06, Richard Stallman wrote: > i would still be worried that the cursor will annoyingly get pushed > rightwards when moving across content lines, due to traversing > headlines of deep topics, where the structure portion of the line > extends further to the right. > > That could certainly happen, but why would it be annoying? > The cursor would come back towards the original column as you move > onward into lines whose structure portion is shorter. that would be good - it's actually the behavior i was hoping but wasn't expecting would be the case. that would satisfy me. > This is like what happens when you start at a high-numbered column > and move through lines that are too short to reach that column. > > this would be mitigated by preserving > and restoring the displaced leftwards placements, > > I don't understand those words. i was trying to describe the cursor coming back to the high-numbered column, exactly as you mentioned above. > but the behavior i'm > concerned with doesn't obtain for the cases you're considering, so i > doubt it would be provided for. > > Which cases do you mean by "the cases [I'm] considering"? > I am considering the allout cases you describe. the high-column. > (i kinda doubt that my description of > the concern is readily understandable, sigh). which it wasn't - sorry. :-) > If the "description of the concern" refers to the words I cited > at the top of this message, I think I understand the behavior, > but I don't understand why you see it as a problem. > > the option simplifies this concern. > > That's not enough to make the option _necessary_. > Remember I want to avoid options when possible. > If we can get good enough behavior without one, > then the option isn't needed. i think what you're proposing will work for allout mode. -- ken ken.manheimer@gmail.com http://myriadicity.net