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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248877 Archived-At: On 04.05.2020 17:16, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > IMNSHO, it's inaccurate, and even somewhat unfair, to claim that Emacs > doesn't adapt. Just read through the latest NEWS file, and you will > see hundreds of new features and quite a few significant new > technologies that we acquired just recently. It adds features where there were none, sure. But changing something that exists, especially when it had existed for a while, is a long, arduous journey with rare chance of success, IME. It's the difference between adaptation and accretion. Emacs has survived for decades, sure, but that's because it's based on some fundamentally good ideas, and that it managed (probably as a consequence) to attract a few very smart people along the way that keep it running.