From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juri Linkov" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please add a "Guided Tour" menu command Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:19:24 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <2b2a1973cfb24993fb4dd238306ae7f0.squirrel@webmail.jurta.org> References: <87ejpc3ilr.fsf@localhost.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <878wwen09k.fsf@jurta.org> <87wsfjtl0s.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225833595 18479 80.91.229.12 (4 Nov 2008 21:19:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Jason Spiro" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 04 22:20:55 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KxTKL-0004UY-5E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:20:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42316 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxTJD-00011a-W5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:19:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxTJ9-0000zh-C6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:19:27 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxTJ7-0000ya-Sm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:19:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36662 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxTJ7-0000yM-Cb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:19:25 -0500 Original-Received: from sd-green-dreamhost-133.dreamhost.com ([208.97.187.133]:54289 helo=webmail3.sd.dreamhost.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KxTJ7-0002hP-VH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:19:26 -0500 Original-Received: from webmail.jurta.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail3.sd.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D52145BF; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:19:23 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 84.50.125.37 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jurta@jurta.org) by webmail.jurta.org with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:19:24 +0200 (EET) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.15 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:105362 Archived-At: >> > So name the menu item this: "Emacs Guided Tour (web page)". >> >> Yes, it is important to add such a notice, otherwise running a browser >> would a bad surprise for users. >> >> Another question is where to put such a menu item. Help menus are >> already overcrowded. So maybe to add it to some Help submenu. > > No. I think the tour is much more important than the tutorial. (The > tutorial is mostly for people who want to learn to use Emacs without > a mouse. The tour is for people who want to learn to use Emacs's > useful features, like Font Lock mode and M-x compile.) > So you should rather remove the tutorial to some submenu. I disagree. The tour is an advertisement of Emacs features, so it is most suitable for references on Web pages, blogs, etc. to inform people about Emacs features. OTOH, the tutorial is crucial for the beginner to start using Emacs. >> Good idea. We now have a new nice Doc-View mode that can display >> PDF files. > > I have never tried Doc-View mode. Is it as good as most other PDF view= ers? It is almost as good as other PDF/PS viewers. --=20 Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/