From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A more radical cleanup for make bootstrap? Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 08:25:58 +0000 Message-ID: <2b1180d2e528b7e4c475@heytings.org> References: <83bkraydzu.fsf@gnu.org> <2b1180d2e522e2571f09@heytings.org> <87pmfqlao9.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27018"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 20 10:41:37 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oaYoz-0006pX-KC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 10:41:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38750 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaYoy-0003L9-K8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 04:41:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35692) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaYa1-0002Y7-He for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 04:26:09 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:48720) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaYZw-0000CA-5r; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 04:26:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20220101; t=1663662359; bh=T6UERe1lGBvMgJXH6CTXnzHFNaenJddwIgavqGndO94=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=b/dduyWk3/gbDz2UvKzYgaCP61Gu5+68ptaf9Ay0y/GuoGDNF/qun3ApwQsl5Uo7S g/h63OR711bjlt0szcd4EquoERKrK01bcANs9DEnH2BGDUlPjrzcTjnTvTImobyHXi xV3iIy5rXa+tStB+nwE+BzXv0l0w3fmtJ5wlUw5vJCmejo67WRD5hSt974fe/nFJtF A9MUPAuLHQSaHgEg3OwMt61N0yxQyhlJzio0APwHmlh81DNRLqUFsmlZ5o82NUzZ5V eRVOtnfdRbM1H3/lDjUZyOft54SCuisYbNpY6WEEctqnyxJBdBOIxjb1y+26GjsYiA RWML6zc8tHsog== In-Reply-To: <87pmfqlao9.fsf@yahoo.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295788 Archived-At: >> I don't know exactly. Stefan M and Po Lu both asked for a "less >> radical" bootstrap, which is what that "soft-bootstrap" would have >> done. But now Stefan said it's not that important to him. So I guess >> there's no need for a "soft-bootstrap" anymore, unless someone tells >> otherwise. > > What about me? > You could be that "someone". > > It generally takes 10-15 minutes for me to build Emacs in ideal > conditions from "make bootstrap", with much of that time taken up by > building temacs. It takes longer when I am actually working on Emacs, > because that typically happens while my machine is already under load. > So what you'd need is another cleaning target, is that correct?