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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257471 Archived-At: Thank you for your feedback! I've read many emails on this thread now and I think we've reached a point where some action needs to be taken. I have purchased emacssurvey.org and I will proceed to: - digest all the feedback I got into a final list of questions - announce the survey opening date on as many channels as I can - build emacssurvey.org as a no-JS site such that everyone can visit it - on the survey start date, emacssurvey.org will have two options for submitting responses - visit the questionnaire as plain text and email it to a dedicated address hosted on emacssurvey.org (which will be possible from Emacs) - use an online form which will potentially require non-free JS - the survey will remain open for 6 weeks, plus some extra time for late responders - I will post on as many channels every week to remind people who haven't responded yet (but obviously not share any partial results) - after the survey is over and all data is compiled, all results will be released on emacssurvey.org (and again it will be viewable from Emacs) By hosting the survey on a different website, I am hoping to accomplish something similar to the "Devil as Install Fest" (https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/install-fest-devil.en.html). What we could still discuss is a disclaimer on emacssurvey.org to be explicit on how gnu.org is not sponsoring the survey questions. It would be really helpful if gnu.org could link to emacssurvey.org, but if not, that's ok too.