From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201094 Archived-At: On 03/08/2016 12:24 AM, Karl Fogel wrote: > I looked again -- who are these "many"? ESR, Óscar, Andy. Maybe others. > (Andy Moreton suggested something about how we could have improved standards about what we put in a change description in general, but that's different and orthogonal to this discussion.) Not necessarily improved, but different standards (see "actively harmful" in his message). > Well, one can just include that in the commit message. My point is just that if it's appropriate for a ChangeLog entry, then it's appropriate for a commit message, and vice versa. I mean, at least for my commits, the former have always just been a literal copy of the latter, even when doing it manually :-). How is this relevant? I was describing how the Change Log entries submitted together with a patch help reviewing it now. So of course I'm referring to the current practice, where the commit message includes the Change Log entry.