Emacs pretest 25.0.90

Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Nicolas Petton]

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Hi!

The first pretest for what will be the 25.1 release of Emacs
(the extensible text editor) is available at

  ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-25.0.90.tar.xz

You can get the PGP signature at

  ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-25.0.90.tar.xz.sig

Please give it as much testing as you can.

As always, if you encounter problems building or using Emacs,
send a report to bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org with full details
(if possible, use M-x report-emacs-bug).

Thanks for helping to test Emacs.

Note: My PGP key is still missing from the GNU keychain, so you will
have to get it from another server[1] to verify the tarball.  This is a
known issue, and we are waiting for the GNU sysadmins to fix the
problem.

[1] http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=nicolas+petton&op=index

Nico

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Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Rostislav Svoboda]

Your tarball is based on which commit???
I don't see any relevant tag in the git repo...

Bost

2016-01-30 16:42 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr>:
> Hi!
>
> The first pretest for what will be the 25.1 release of Emacs
> (the extensible text editor) is available at
>
>   ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-25.0.90.tar.xz
>
> You can get the PGP signature at
>
>   ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-25.0.90.tar.xz.sig
>
> Please give it as much testing as you can.
>
> As always, if you encounter problems building or using Emacs,
> send a report to bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org with full details
> (if possible, use M-x report-emacs-bug).
>
> Thanks for helping to test Emacs.
>
> Note: My PGP key is still missing from the GNU keychain, so you will
> have to get it from another server[1] to verify the tarball.  This is a
> known issue, and we are waiting for the GNU sysadmins to fix the
> problem.
>
> [1] http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=nicolas+petton&op=index
>
> Nico

[emacs-announce] Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Eli Zaretskii]

(Resending with "emacs-announce" in Subject.)

Hi!

The first pretest for what will be the 25.1 release of Emacs
(the extensible text editor) is available at

  ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-25.0.90.tar.xz

You can get the PGP signature at

  ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-25.0.90.tar.xz.sig

Please give it as much testing as you can.

As always, if you encounter problems building or using Emacs,
send a report to bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org with full details
(if possible, use M-x report-emacs-bug).

Thanks for helping to test Emacs.

Note: The PGP key is still missing from the GNU keychain, so you will
have to get it from another server[1] to verify the tarball.  This is a
known issue, and we are waiting for the GNU sysadmins to fix the
problem.

[1] http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=nicolas+petton&op=index

Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Nicolas Petton]

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Rostislav Svoboda <rostislav.svoboda@gmail.com> writes:

> Your tarball is based on which commit???
> I don't see any relevant tag in the git repo...

Have you fetched recently?

emacs-25.0.90 7b14da444e6ad0eae1eb6c0dde870a84257d6283
Author:     Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr>
AuthorDate: Sat Jan 30 14:43:12 2016 +0100
Commit:     Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr>
CommitDate: Sat Jan 30 16:00:54 2016 +0100

Nico

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Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Rostislav Svoboda]

> Have you fetched recently?

Yes and no. I'm using github mirror:
    https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs.git
Apparently it was lagging behind:
    http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
for about 50 minutes. Thanks for clarification!

Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Rostislav Svoboda]

Did you have any particular reason for 7b14da4 ?
Were you waiting for some feature/bugfix? Or it was just a coincidence?
I mean I do rebuild emacs-25 every 2 - 3 days and update all my
packages and for last 3 months or so it was just running fine.
(I clojure/clojurescript development.) I'm curious. Thanx.

2016-01-30 17:32 GMT+01:00 Rostislav Svoboda <rostislav.svoboda@gmail.com>:
>> Have you fetched recently?
>
> Yes and no. I'm using github mirror:
>     https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs.git
> Apparently it was lagging behind:
>     http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
> for about 50 minutes. Thanks for clarification!

Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Nicolas Petton]

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Rostislav Svoboda <rostislav.svoboda@gmail.com> writes:

> Did you have any particular reason for 7b14da4 ?
> Were you waiting for some feature/bugfix? Or it was just a
> coincidence?

I don't understand, this commit just updates the Emacs version to
25.0.90, because it's the first pretest.  Or am I missing something?

Nico

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Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Rostislav Svoboda]

Ehm :) Sorry in fact I meant following:
Did you have any particular reason to wait with the pretest-build until today?
Were you waiting for a specific feature or a bugfix to get committed?
Or was it just a coincidence?

2016-01-30 17:51 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr>:
> Rostislav Svoboda <rostislav.svoboda@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Did you have any particular reason for 7b14da4 ?
>> Were you waiting for some feature/bugfix? Or it was just a
>> coincidence?
>
> I don't understand, this commit just updates the Emacs version to
> 25.0.90, because it's the first pretest.  Or am I missing something?
>
> Nico

Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Nicolas Petton]

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Rostislav Svoboda <rostislav.svoboda@gmail.com> writes:

> Did you have any particular reason to wait with the pretest-build
> until today?

I initially planned to do it last week, but... time was lacking.

> Were you waiting for a specific feature or a bugfix to get committed?

No, not really.

Nico

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RE: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Drew Adams]

> The first pretest for what will be the 25.1 release of Emacs
> (the extensible text editor) is available at
>   ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-25.0.90.tar.xz

MS Windows binary at an HTTP address, please?

RE: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Nicolas Petton]

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Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>> The first pretest for what will be the 25.1 release of Emacs
>> (the extensible text editor) is available at
>>   ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-25.0.90.tar.xz
>
> MS Windows binary at an HTTP address, please?

Hi Drew,

I won't be providing MS Windows binaries for the pretests, sorry.
http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/windows/README

However, if you want to build it on Windows, I'll be really happy to
upload them at http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/windows

Cheers,
Nico
-- 
Nicolas Petton
http://nicolas-petton.fr

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RE: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Drew Adams]

> > MS Windows binary at an HTTP address, please?
> 
> I won't be providing MS Windows binaries for the pretests, sorry.

Whoever builds it, you or someone else, GNU Emacs should
provide it, as it has in the past.  If not, fewer testers
(I, for one).  That's all.

> http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/windows/README

Too bad.  Poor Emacs.

Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Glenn Morris]

Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> (Resending with "emacs-announce" in Subject.)

Thanks for remembering poor old unloved "emacs-announce". :)

Was this message also sent to info-gnu-emacs (I ask because I see no
sign of it there so far) and platform-testers (per make-tarball.txt)?

Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
> Cc: Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:03:37 -0500
> 
> Was this message also sent to info-gnu-emacs (I ask because I see no
> sign of it there so far) and platform-testers (per make-tarball.txt)?

I sent it there now.

RE: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Nicolas Petton]

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Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>> > MS Windows binary at an HTTP address, please?
>> 
>> I won't be providing MS Windows binaries for the pretests, sorry.
>
> Whoever builds it, you or someone else, GNU Emacs should
> provide it, as it has in the past.  If not, fewer testers
> (I, for one).  That's all.

I understand, but I don't have a Windows machine at hand.  Would you, or
someone else, would like to do the build?

Nico

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RE: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Drew Adams]

> >> > MS Windows binary at an HTTP address, please?
> >>
> >> I won't be providing MS Windows binaries for the pretests, sorry.
> >
> > Whoever builds it, you or someone else, GNU Emacs should
> > provide it, as it has in the past.  If not, fewer testers
> > (I, for one).  That's all.
> 
> I understand, but I don't have a Windows machine at hand.  Would you, or
> someone else, would like to do the build?

I hope Someone (TM) will.

Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Ulrich Mueller]

>>>>> On Sat, 30 Jan 2016, Nicolas Petton wrote:

> The first pretest for what will be the 25.1 release of Emacs
> (the extensible text editor) is available at

>   ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-25.0.90.tar.xz

Was the CONTRIBUTE file omitted from the tarball on purpose?

Ulrich

Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Kaushal Modi]

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I haven't tried it but I see that the pretest for Windows 64-bit build is
available here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/emacsbinw64/

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Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Tom]

Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr> writes:
> 
> I understand, but I don't have a Windows machine at hand.  Would you, or
> someone else, would like to do the build?
> 

Isn't cross compilation an option?

Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Tom <adatgyujto@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 09:33:07 +0000 (UTC)
> 
> Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr> writes:
> > 
> > I understand, but I don't have a Windows machine at hand.  Would you, or
> > someone else, would like to do the build?
> > 
> 
> Isn't cross compilation an option?

No, Emacs doesn't support cross compilation (because building Emacs
needs to run temacs on the target platform).

Besides, doing that still requires a volunteer: to install the
necessary cross-development tools, build the binaries, answer
questions about problems, convert backtraces into line numbers, etc.
Volunteers are still welcome, TIA.

RE: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Drew Adams]

> I haven't tried it but I see that the pretest for Windows 64-bit
> build is available here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/emacsbinw64/

Is there a way to download it without accepting that
"FREE UnzipApp™ Chrome New Tab"?  I don't see one.

I want to download Emacs.  I don't want to install other
("FREE" but non-free, and unrelated) products.

RE: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Kaushal Modi]

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Odd, I don't get anything like that. Or may be that's because I have the
Adblock installed on my Chrome browser.

If you like, here's a download link to the same tar.gz from my Dropbox:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ueirberdz8eruqg/emacs-bin-w64-25.0.90.7z?dl=0

--
Kaushal Modi

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RE: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Drew Adams]

> Odd, I don't get anything like that. Or may be that's because
> I have the Adblock installed on my Chrome browser. 
> If you like, here's a download link to the same tar.gz from
> my Dropbox:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ueirberdz8eruqg/emacs-bin-w64-25.0.90.7z?dl=0

Thank you, Kaushal.  What about posting the build in the
official GNU Emacs location, as has been done in the past?

Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 08:26:35 -0800 (PST)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> 
> > I haven't tried it but I see that the pretest for Windows 64-bit
> > build is available here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/emacsbinw64/
> 
> Is there a way to download it without accepting that
> "FREE UnzipApp™ Chrome New Tab"?  I don't see one.

What exactly did you try?  Downloading stuff from sourceforge doesn't
require any acceptance of any add-ons.  I just tried and didn't get
anything like that.  It just asks where to put the file.

RE: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Drew Adams]

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> > > I haven't tried it but I see that the pretest for Windows 64-bit
> > > build is available here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/emacsbinw64/
> >
> > Is there a way to download it without accepting that
> > "FREE UnzipApp™ Chrome New Tab"?  I don't see one.
> 
> What exactly did you try?  Downloading stuff from sourceforge doesn't
> require any acceptance of any add-ons.  I just tried and didn't get
> anything like that.  It just asks where to put the file.

I simply clicked that URL, then I clicked the large, green
Download button.  (I didn't see any other download link or
button.)

After doing that, I got what seemed like a full-page, opt-in for
"FREE UnzipApp (TM) Chrome New Tab and UnzipApp (TM) Supporting
Application" (see attached screenshot).  I saw no way to delete
or bypass that opt-in (for which I have no need), to just download
the pretest.

Perhaps you will tell me that I was mistaken in my interpretation
of this solicitation, with its "Please read carefully" fine print,
"Download the Chrome New Tab", and "Install the FREE supporting
application".

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RE: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Kaushal Modi]

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> After doing that, I got what seemed like a full-page, opt-in for "FREE
UnzipApp (TM) Chrome New Tab and UnzipApp (TM) Supporting Application"

I do not get that.

It's strange that clicking the sourceforge link takes you directly to
free.unzipapp.com. See if installing the Adblock Plus extension on Chrome
fixes this problem.  If it doesn't get fixed, then I suspect that that
forced redirection is due to some sort of malware on your PC.

--
Kaushal Modi

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Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Michael Heerdegen]

Kaushal Modi <kaushal.modi@gmail.com> writes:

> > After doing that, I got what seemed like a full-page, opt-in for
> > "FREE UnzipApp (TM)
> Chrome New Tab and UnzipApp (TM) Supporting Application" 
>
>
> I do not get that. 
>
> It's strange that clicking the sourceforge link takes you directly to
> free.unzipapp.com.  See if installing the Adblock Plus extension on
> Chrome fixes this problem. If it doesn't get fixed, then I suspect
> that that forced redirection is due to some sort of malware on your
> PC.

You may want to $internet-search for "sourceforge malware".


Michael.

Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 09:15:44 -0800 (PST)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: kaushal.modi@gmail.com, nicolas@petton.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> > > > I haven't tried it but I see that the pretest for Windows 64-bit
> > > > build is available here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/emacsbinw64/
> > >
> > > Is there a way to download it without accepting that
> > > "FREE UnzipApp™ Chrome New Tab"?  I don't see one.
> > 
> > What exactly did you try?  Downloading stuff from sourceforge doesn't
> > require any acceptance of any add-ons.  I just tried and didn't get
> > anything like that.  It just asks where to put the file.
> 
> I simply clicked that URL, then I clicked the large, green
> Download button.  (I didn't see any other download link or
> button.)

Click on "Files", then "pretest", then on the archive you want to
download.  That's it.

RE: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Drew Adams]

> > > After doing that, I got what seemed like a full-page, opt-in for
> > > "FREE UnzipApp (TM)
> > > Chrome New Tab and UnzipApp (TM) Supporting Application"
> >
> > I do not get that.
> >
> > It's strange that clicking the sourceforge link takes you directly to
> > free.unzipapp.com.  See if installing the Adblock Plus extension on
> > Chrome fixes this problem. If it doesn't get fixed, then I suspect
> > that that forced redirection is due to some sort of malware on your
> > PC.

No, I'm pretty sure that my laptop has no malware on it.

However, if I had clicked to accept this crap (in order to get
the Emacs pretest download), then I might well have gotten
infected with malware. ;-)

It is a shame that GNU Emacs no longer distributes an MS Windows
pretest binary.  I understand that there is a shortage of volunteer
resources, but it is a shame nonetheless.

> You may want to $internet-search for "sourceforge malware".

Indeed.

FWIW, I am not getting that blocking advertisement right now, when
I use http://sourceforge.net/projects/emacsbinw64/ and I click the
green button
http://sourceforge.net/projects/emacsbinw64/files/latest/download.

Perhaps something was changed in the last hour or two?  Or perhaps
it is served up randomly?  Dunno.

Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Óscar Fuentes]

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>> > Is there a way to download it without accepting that
>> > "FREE UnzipApp™ Chrome New Tab"?  I don't see one.
>> 
>> What exactly did you try?  Downloading stuff from sourceforge doesn't
>> require any acceptance of any add-ons.  I just tried and didn't get
>> anything like that.  It just asks where to put the file.
>
> I simply clicked that URL, then I clicked the large, green
> Download button.  (I didn't see any other download link or
> button.)

You are the victim of a common scam. You go to a page for downloading
something and you expect to see a "Download" button. The scammer rents
and add on that page and the add consists on a prominent "Download"
image that is linked to the scammer's product (or malware).

The real "Download" button or link is elsewhere on that page. In fact,
on Sourceforge the download will start after a few seconds without you
pressing anything, but you shouldn't need to know that.

On an add-based download site (or any download site, actually), always
check the hyperlink before clicking. If the hyperlink doesn't look sane
to you, don't click.

Yes, it sucks.

[snip]

RE: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Drew Adams]

> > I simply clicked that URL, then I clicked the large, green
> > Download button.  (I didn't see any other download link or
> > button.)
> 
> Click on "Files", then "pretest", then on the archive you want to
> download.  That's it.

See my previous reply.  You are not seeing what I saw.  And
neither am I, at the moment.

---

BTW/FWIW: With that pretest build, I got a crash within about
3 minutes of use, and I filed a bug with the emacs_backtrace.txt
file.  As you noted in that bug thread (#22502), 
http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=22502, that build
is apparently not very useful for a pretest (it was presumably
not designed for the pretest).

RE: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Drew Adams]

> >> > Is there a way to download it without accepting that
> >> > "FREE UnzipApp™ Chrome New Tab"?  I don't see one.
> >>
> >> What exactly did you try?  Downloading stuff from sourceforge doesn't
> >> require any acceptance of any add-ons.  I just tried and didn't get
> >> anything like that.  It just asks where to put the file.
> >
> > I simply clicked that URL, then I clicked the large, green
> > Download button.  (I didn't see any other download link or
> > button.)
> 
> You are the victim of a common scam. You go to a page for downloading
> something and you expect to see a "Download" button. The scammer rents
> and add on that page and the add consists on a prominent "Download"
> image that is linked to the scammer's product (or malware).

Yes.

> The real "Download" button or link is elsewhere on that page. In fact,
> on Sourceforge the download will start after a few seconds without you
> pressing anything, but you shouldn't need to know that.

No, I don't think so.  Believe me, I searched quite a while for any
such real download button or link (as I said in a previous mail).
I saw none such.  I found no other way to do anything at that point
but to abandon.

Note that what I see at the original URL now is not what I saw before.
There is now a small ad and a green button for the spam product, but
there are also clearly other, legitimate ways to download the pretest
(including a legitimate small green SourceForge button).

I don't have a screenshot of the original page, to show you that there
was no alternative, but I was able to at least send a screenshot of the
second page shown (after clicking the green button on the first, which
had no alternative for downloading).

> On an add-based download site (or any download site, actually), always
> check the hyperlink before clicking. If the hyperlink doesn't look sane
> to you, don't click.

Agreed.

> Yes, it sucks.

Agreed.

Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Michael Heerdegen]

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

> No, I'm pretty sure that my laptop has no malware on it.
>
> However, if I had clicked to accept this crap (in order to get
> the Emacs pretest download), then I might well have gotten
> infected with malware. ;-)

I found this page for example:

http://www.howtogeek.com/218764/warning-don%E2%80%99t-download-software-from-sourceforge-if-you-can-help-it/

E.g. "Although SourceForge may no longer be bundling these applications
with junkware for the moment, the SourceForge website is still full of
misleading advertisements that point you to installers full of
junkware."

I guess what you describe is covered by that sentence.

If it is true what is described there, I think it would be better to
provide the pretest at a different place.


Michael.

Re: Emacs pretest 25.0.90

[Clément Pit--Claudel]

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On 01/31/2016 01:47 PM, Drew Adams wrote:
>>>>> Is there a way to download it without accepting that
>>>>> "FREE UnzipApp™ Chrome New Tab"?  I don't see one.
>>>>
>>>> What exactly did you try?  Downloading stuff from sourceforge doesn't
>>>> require any acceptance of any add-ons.  I just tried and didn't get
>>>> anything like that.  It just asks where to put the file.
>>>
>>> I simply clicked that URL, then I clicked the large, green
>>> Download button.  (I didn't see any other download link or
>>> button.)
>>
>> You are the victim of a common scam. You go to a page for downloading
>> something and you expect to see a "Download" button. The scammer rents
>> and add on that page and the add consists on a prominent "Download"
>> image that is linked to the scammer's product (or malware).
> 
> Yes.

Google made a move today to fix this: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/google-now-blocking-websites-that-show-fake-download-buttons/


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