From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jan D." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Will default key bindings spell the death of Emacs? Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:38:15 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <2EB23665-91E3-11D7-BB9C-00039363E640@swipnet.se> References: <2593-Thu29May2003170513+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054219477 29936 80.91.224.249 (29 May 2003 14:44:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: glen@organicdesign.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu May 29 16:44:35 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19LObD-0007Wu-00 for ; Thu, 29 May 2003 16:41:47 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19LOpv-0005zs-00 for ; Thu, 29 May 2003 16:56:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19LObz-0001iB-7H for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 29 May 2003 10:42:35 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19LObh-0001fR-At for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2003 10:42:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19LOZb-0000w4-Sc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2003 10:40:08 -0400 Original-Received: from stubby.bodenonline.com ([193.201.16.94]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19LOZQ-0000q2-QH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2003 10:39:56 -0400 Original-Received: from accessno42.bodenonline.com (accessno42.bodenonline.com [193.201.16.44])h4TFTCLC016224; Thu, 29 May 2003 17:29:18 +0200 Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <2593-Thu29May2003170513+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14418 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14418 >> I believe that Emacs key bindings are effectively preventing 99% or >> more >> of Windows programmers and other younger programmers from ever using >> it. > > I think you greatly exaggerate the difficulty of adapting to Emacs > key bindings. At my work there are many MS Windows users. None had any trouble adopting to Emacs. Well, one, but he uses vim, so being a Windows user wasn't a factor in that case :-) >> * The kill ring should not be used. Cut and copy and paste should >> operate on the Windows clipboard This assumes the MS Windows model is superior to Emacs. I think it is the opposite. >> Do any of you share these views? Why, or why not. Who else cares >> about >> this issue and what can we do to bring about this important change? > > AFAIK, many (most?) Emacs users (certainly its developers) want Emacs > to work the same on all supported platforms. Yes, this is a big advantage. Jan D.